最贵私立小学学费$15000元 公立小学是次等货？

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Melbourne Grammar School





据《星岛日报》1月21日编译《The Age》的报道，墨尔本一家最昂贵的私立学校小学部学费已经上涨到$15,320元，该校校长PAUL SHEAHAN更认为，私立学校的设施及教师质素远胜公立学校，家长把五岁的子女送入公立学校展开其学习生涯，是冒险把子女送入次等学校。

这所墨尔本文法学校（Melbourne Grammar School）每年学费逾$15000元，是墨尔本最贵的私校之一。虽然没有证据显示，私立学校的课程内容和公立学校的有明显分别，但该校校长为，小学教育较中学教育更重要，特别是保证学童感到学习是快乐的，否则他们甚么都没学到。

SHEAHAN的言论引起极大争议。


维州教育工会发言人MARY BLUETT形容他的言论令人失望。她指出，公立学校的资源不及私校，但不少公立学校的成绩都十分出色。维州教育部发言人表示，高考(VCE)成绩显示，很多父母仍选择让子女入读公校。








State primary schools branded second-rate



January 7, 2007


PARENTS risk a second-rate start to their five-year-olds' education if they settle for prep at the nearest government primary school, says the head of one of Melbourne's most expensive schools.

In the week that Melbourne Grammar's annual fee for prep pupils was revealed to be in excess of $15,000, principal Paul Sheahan declared teaching standards in private schools were superior to the public sector.

"It is difficult to be definitive without being critical," Mr Sheahan said. "There are very fine teachers across the whole of the education sector, but the consistent quality of teaching in most of the private schools is better than the alternative.

"(Parents) can't pick and choose the government school. It's where they live and in that respect it is a bit of a catch as catch can."

Australian Education Union Victoria spokeswoman Mary Bluett described Mr Sheahan's comments as "incredibly disappointing".

"Government schools suffer from the reputation of the schools that don't do so well whereas the non-government sector rides on the coat tails of the well-resourced and high performing independent schools," she said.

" Private schools don't face many of the challenges that some of our government schools do, but a raft of government schools are high-performing from an academic point of view."

A spokesman for state Education Minister John Lenders defended the public system as world class.

"As the recent VCE results show, state schools hold their own in terms of high-achieving students, and the vast majority of parents still choose to send their children to state schools," spokesman Licardo Prince said.

The co-ordinator of postgraduate programs in gifted education at Monash University, Leonie Kronborg, described the new fees charged by elite private schools as extraordinary.

"You should not have to go to an independent school and pay $12,000 to $15,000 to educate a five-year-old," Ms Kronborg said.

"You should be able to go to the local primary school around the corner.

"But our society is changing and we seem to think if we put a dollar value on something it will make it better.

"There are some local primaries performing as well as independents that charge $12,000 to $15,000.

"  Parents are looking for so much more from schools these days.

"If they are paying, then they expect to be able to ask more of them. They expect there will be more communication with teachers and accountability.

"They want to know what their children are learning and how they are performing, and that they are in an environment with children who are motivated to learn."

Ms Kronborg described prep as a vital year for success in education.

"  Prep is a crucial year," she said. "Getting it right in that first year colours your perception of education for the next 13 years."

While there was no discernible difference between what preps were taught in the public and private systems, Mr Sheahan said parents wanted to ensure their child's start to school was a happy one.

"In some respects, your experience at primary is more important than secondary, such as ensuring a child is happy," Mr Sheahan said.

"An unhappy child is not learning. If you have a guarantee a child is happy, you have a much better chance that child will learn and learn effectively."


THE TOP BILLING PREP FEES

Melbourne Grammar $15,320

Geelong Grammar (Glamorgan) $13,360

Melbourne Girls Grammar $12,024

Bialik College $10,357*

Presbyterian Ladies College (Junior) $10,172

St Kevin's College $6800**

*EXCLUDING BUILDING LEVY

**EXCLUDING SOME COMPULSORY TUITION LEVIES AND BUILDING FUND





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[ 本帖最后由 villa 于 2007-1-25 07:50 编辑 ]

西边雨

抢钱~

rdcwayx

价高，不代表质量高。

villa

维州的公立中小学法定提供免费义务教育，但如今一些学校却变相“强制”收取本来属于自愿性质的捐款，一些公立小学的家长被迫支付每学年$200至$400元，公立中学则高达$1000元，甚至比一些天主教教会学校的学费还要高。


一些学校变相“强制”收取本来属于自愿性质的捐款措施有如下形式：


Cases of parents being pressured for subject "contributions" include:

A PARENT told a child was "at risk of not being able to participate in extra-curricular excursions and activities in 2007" if subject contributions for 2006 were not paid.

The contributions of almost $1000 included material and services costs for core classes.

A SCHOOL newsletter advised parents "courses for 2007 cannot be approved until 2006 school contributions are paid".

A SCHOOL withheld re-enrolment when subject fees were not paid.

STUDENTS denied a school diary if parents couldn't pay subject contributions. This led to humiliation as it was known students without a diary could not afford the fees.

PUPILS not being allowed to take their finished artwork or cooking home because of unpaid subject contributions.

SCHOOLS denying students access to workbooks needed in class.

PARENTS picking subjects with the cheapest fees. This meant students missed art, physical education and home economics subjects.

PUPILS not being allowed to participate in inter-school sports if the levies were not paid.





Anger over school feesMilanda Rout




29  Jan 2007   Melbourne Herald Sun



STATE schools are slugging parents up to $1000 in subject charges and threatening to stop students enrolling, playing sport and taking home artwork if the fees aren't paid.

Students are also being humiliated if their parents cannot afford the extra charges, which cover class materials and services.
The levies come on top of payments for textbooks and stationery.

Threats against non-paying students breach Education Department guidelines, which say schools cannot stop a child doing a subject if they cannot pay the levies.

Pupils are also being forced to choose cheaper subjects if families cannot afford charges for electives such as art and physical education.

Angry parent and community groups and the Opposition say subject charges make the concept of free education a joke.

Community and parent groups found some Catholic schools were cheaper than the state system.




http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun ... 1132094-661,00.html

villa

培养孩子从公立幼儿园到中学毕业费用超过 $100,000元  






根据一项最新的统计数据显示，通过公立的教育系统，培养一名孩子从幼儿园（Preschool）到Level 12中学毕业这14年期间需要花费家长$100,000元，而就读私立学校更需耗费父母近$350,000元。





Cost of a public education exceeds $100,000




January 28, 2007    SMH



EDUCATING a child in the public system from preschool to year 12 could cost more than $100,000, new figures show.

The 14-year journey for youngsters starting preschool this week would ring up $101,126, says the Australian Scholarships Group (ASG).

The year-to-year breakdown - $2638 for a preschooler in 2007, rising to $10,148 for a year 12 student in 2020 - takes into account school fees, uniforms, technology costs and incidentals such as transport to school, camps and excursions. The projections are indexed to inflation.

The Melbourne-based ASG, which offers parents savings plans for their children's education, based its findings on projected cost estimates received from members, about more than 1200 children.

It also estimated the cost of a private school education ($346,647) and an independent school education ($185,248), but the public school estimate is the most startling.

"We believe people will be surprised," ASG spokesman Warwick James said.

A spokeswoman for the NSW Department of Education declined to comment on the ASG figures, but said all fees at public schools were voluntary.

Sydney mother Tara Ritchie said the costs of a public school education - let alone a private one - were "scary".

Her three-year-old triplets - Tracey, Angelina and Grace - are about to embark on their education at the preschool attached to Lindfield East Public School, in Sydney's north.

While the girls do not have to wear a uniform until kindergarten, she has had to buy new backpacks and lunchboxes.

She is working to cover the hefty long-term expense of the girls' education.

"[The ASG cost estimates] are accurate, scary - and about what I expected," she said.

Ms Ritchie, who is a member of the Multiple Birth Association, said it was exciting to know the girls would be learning the basics of reading, writing, drawing and penmanship, though their emotional development was as important as any learning they may do.

"We are on the on-ramp," she said. "You get the butterflies in your stomach. I'm excited for the girls and as a milestone - it's the start of the big time.

"The countdown is on."



http://www.smh.com.au/news/natio ... /1169788739984.html



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西边雨

看什么学校了，我儿子上的一个小学很小，100人左右，动不动就要钱，连学生表演也要收门票~~
现在上规模大的学校要好多了~~原来在wantirna south的一所比较大的小学也不错，不乱收费

rdcwayx

相对公立学校，幼儿园的费用是最厉害的。 60刀左右一天。 而如果就读公立学校，通常费用在200~400刀一年，包括捐款，活动支出等等，如果考虑补习班，俱乐部，那么还要至少400~1000。就读教会学校，学费是1800刀（含政府一次性600刀补助，自己只要付1200刀）。私立学校，通常1万，再加上些其他费用，比如服装，活动费用，通常一年花费1.5万~2万。

私立学校最大的问题，并不是学费问题，而是种族歧视问题，华人学生在私立学校学习，尤其是第一代移民的小孩，往往交不到任何朋友，小孩在私立学校学习并不开心。不要以为自己多花钱了，小孩可以认识些高收入，高素质的家庭，这个门都没有。

公立学校在这个问题上，稍好一些。小孩压力也要小一些，如果以后要考精英中学的话，不是靠学校里学的知识，都是靠补习班的。

那么何必去私立学校呢？

水晶靴

想问一下，如果幼儿园一天６０元，一年上１００天，就是６０００元。如果上私立幼儿园，估计学费在１２０００左右，好象没有想象中那么大差别。。。是这么算的吗？

rdcwayx

原帖由 西边雨 于 2007-1-29 09:28 发表
看什么学校了，我儿子上的一个小学很小，100人左右，动不动就要钱，连学生表演也要收门票~~
现在上规模大的学校要好多了~~原来在wantirna south的一所比较大的小学也不错，不乱收费

关于学生表演售门票的事情，老西请看清楚收费的具体操作情况。

通常这样的事情，收到的门票是赞助另一个活动的，比如学校的音乐，表演俱乐部，这样的收费，还是合理的。

西边雨

原帖由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 09:42 发表

关于学生表演售门票的事情，老西请看清楚收费的具体操作情况。

通常这样的事情，收到的门票是赞助另一个活动的，比如学校的音乐，表演俱乐部，这样的收费，还是合理的。

就是收费~~~没有任何解释~~

rdcwayx

原帖由 水晶靴 于 2007-1-29 09:42 发表
想问一下，如果幼儿园一天６０元，一年上１００天，就是６０００元。如果上私立幼儿园，估计学费在１２０００左右，好象没有想象中那么大差别。。。是这么算的吗？

幼儿园大部分是私立的，公立的要排队，要挤破头才能排进的。全悉尼就12所公立幼儿园。

我说的60刀左右的费用是针对大多数幼儿园的。因为各家的家庭收入不同，centralink会给出不同比例的补助，外加年终30% rebate. 这样的话，家庭压力稍好些。

12000刀的费用，我不太清楚你是如何算出来的。

[ 本帖最后由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 09:49 编辑 ]

rdcwayx

原帖由 西边雨 于 2007-1-29 09:44 发表


就是收费~~~没有任何解释~~

哦，是这样啊，我们小孩学校的几个收费的活动，都是有理由的。

西边雨

学校太小，经费太少~~

休

原帖由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 09:39 发表
私立学校最大的问题，并不是学费问题，而是种族歧视问题，华人学生在私立学校学习，尤其是第一代移民的小孩，往往交不到任何朋友，小孩在私立学校学习并不开心。不要以为自己多花钱了，小孩可以认识些高收入，高素质的家庭，这个门都没有。.

太片面了!俺朋友的女儿上的是私立,奖学金,费用全免,当年她也考上了north sydney girl,考虑到私立学校的诚意,校长上们拜访,选了读私立.今年高考99.25,她在学校很受同学欢迎,她妈妈也受其家长门尊重.她的父母是普通的蓝领.第一代移民.

rdcwayx

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 09:51 发表

太片面了!俺朋友的女儿上的是私立,奖学金,费用全免,当年她也考上了north sydney girl,考虑到私立学校的诚意,校长上们拜访,选了读私立.今年高考99.25,她在学校很受同学欢迎,她妈妈也受其家长门尊重.她的父母是普 ...

north sydney girl是排名前五的精英中学，已经非常不错了。而私立学校奖学金全免，这个是非常杰出的，华人家庭有几个可以这样？全悉尼只有几个名额。

这只是个特例而已。

[ 本帖最后由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 09:56 编辑 ]

西边雨

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 09:51 发表

太片面了!俺朋友的女儿上的是私立,奖学金,费用全免,当年她也考上了north sydney girl,考虑到私立学校的诚意,校长上们拜访,选了读私立.今年高考99.25,她在学校很受同学欢迎,她妈妈也受其家长门尊重.她的父母是普 ...

关键还是学生自己强~~成绩是硬道理，成绩不硬只能攀比金钱数量了~~呵呵

学习不好的就不要去了，白花钱，攀比倒是学的快~~

pisces

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 09:51 发表

太片面了!俺朋友的女儿上的是私立,奖学金,费用全免,当年她也考上了north sydney girl,考虑到私立学校的诚意,校长上们拜访,选了读私立.今年高考99.25,她在学校很受同学欢迎,她妈妈也受其家长门尊重.她的父母是普 ...

厉害，佩服～～

水晶靴

我说呢，算出来好像私立的收费也不比普通的高太离谱。不过政府的回扣也是杯水车薪，帮不了太多，上次谁谁说一天低于一元的。。

rdcwayx

原帖由 西边雨 于 2007-1-29 09:49 发表
学校太小，经费太少~~

100个学生的话，一个班在20人，也就一个年级一个班左右，再加些混合班。

这样的学校，费用支出确实比规模大的学校要高出很多。如果不是太多，还是多捐些吧。

休

原帖由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 09:54 发表

north sydney girl是排名前五的精英中学，已经非常不错了。而私立学校奖学金全免，这个是非常杰出的，华人家庭有几个可以这样？全悉尼只有几个名额。

这只是个特例而已。

我的意思是你提到的种族歧视问题,并没你想像的严重,关键还是看孩子自身的表现.
华人的孩子考试就是利害,这是不争的事实,我很多朋友小孩都是上精英,考大学都95以上的.

西边雨

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 10:02 发表

我的意思是你提到的种族歧视问题,并没你想像的严重,关键还是看孩子自身的表现.
华人的孩子考试就是利害,这是不争的事实,我很多朋友小孩都是上精英,考大学都95以上的.

有没有什么经验？休介绍介绍哈~~

rdcwayx

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 10:02 发表

我的意思是你提到的种族歧视问题,并没你想像的严重,关键还是看孩子自身的表现.
华人的孩子考试就是利害,这是不争的事实,我很多朋友小孩都是上精英,考大学都95以上的.

没有非常严重，但是私立学校比公立学校要严重很多。

pisces

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 10:02 发表

我的意思是你提到的种族歧视问题,并没你想像的严重,关键还是看孩子自身的表现.
华人的孩子考试就是利害,这是不争的事实,我很多朋友小孩都是上精英,考大学都95以上的.

为啥都那么厉害，他们上补习班吗，还是家长要不停的督促，我要好好学习学习。。。

西边雨

原帖由 蓝色心情 于 2007-1-29 10:06 发表
既然来了澳大利亚, 就别太看重成绩了,

当然成绩也重要, 但是更重要的是孩子的成长, 不然和在中国没有区别了

但是不能让孩子闲着，闲着容易闲坏的~~~呵呵

可以让孩子学习和各种兴趣活动之间平衡，如音乐，体育，旅游等

rdcwayx

原帖由 pisces 于 2007-1-29 10:05 发表

为啥都那么厉害，他们上补习班吗，还是家长要不停的督促，我要好好学习学习。。。

应该都是补习班的结果。

我认识一个家庭，自己是本地老师，原本觉得考OC班，没有问题，小孩就没上补习班。结果考完后，发觉差距不是一点点。结果，马上参加补习班，准备精英中学考试。

这些要考精英班的，都是在2，3年级就开始补习的。

休

原帖由 pisces 于 2007-1-29 10:05 发表

为啥都那么厉害，他们上补习班吗，还是家长要不停的督促，我要好好学习学习。。。

就是上补习班,从小学到中学没断过.
现在Hurstville 的补习班不下7,8间,生意那个火啊.

pisces

原帖由 rdcwayx 于 2007-1-29 10:10 发表

应该都是补习班的结果。

我认识一个家庭，自己是本地老师，原本觉得考OC班，没有问题，小孩就没上补习班。结果考完后，发觉差距不是一点点。结果，马上参加补习班，准备精英中学考试。

这些要考精英班的， ...

补习班贵吗？这样看来，小孩子的学习压力也是不小的。

rdcwayx

原帖由 休 于 2007-1-29 10:10 发表

就是上补习班,从小学到中学没断过.
现在Hurstville 的补习班不下7,8间,生意那个火啊.

就是这样的。

rdcwayx

原帖由 pisces 于 2007-1-29 10:11 发表

补习班贵吗？这样看来，小孩子的学习压力也是不小的。

比私立学校学费支出要低很多，通常华人家庭都是付得起的。

水晶靴

孩子如果不上进，要引导孩子。
我朋友，越南难民，女儿上北悉尼女子高中，人人羡慕，结果这次只考了７０分。


另外一个则是私立中学的例子，父母住在ROSE BAY，自己上私立学校。父母从来、根本不管她学习。父母是富爸爸的思想，本身对学业就无所谓，家里有钱嘛，结果女儿考了９５分，都靠自己平时的功夫积累。

不过两个孩子都是课外活动很多的。。