Astina,would u pls give me some advice,thanks a lot!

mandywong

AS...would u pls give me some advice?
my husband is now considering jumping into accounting field,but it's hard for him to start,his background is as follow:

Degree:economics (major: International Business Management)
Work experience:Marketing (specialize in events) for 4 years
Businees: run a bar for 2 years and an Advertising firm (events) for 3 years
he is an outgoing man, had many social activities in college like joining the dancing team of the Uni, forming a band and did concert, and he was fairly active in student union, maybe that was the reason he chose to do marketing after graduation.
But u know, it's very hard for him to continue this job when we got to Au, since i know the language and culture r the crucial part of marketing. So, now he has decided to pick up his accounting knowledge to transfer his track
he is planning to take the TAFE course first in order to find a job in this area, at the meantime he will do the CPA assessment(he had some accounting and finance courses as me) and study the open Uni to supplement his required subjects...
I think it is not a easy way to do so...but he is somewhat optimistic and he told me that he didn't feel boring to read the accounting book(Canadian Eng version) as he did when he was in college reading the Chinese one...I can't do nothing but encourage him and give him some help with studying...

sorry to take u so much time AS...but would u pls give me some advice for his career plan?
Thanks a lot...

coolioo

Not a smart move to me...

louislu

would u pls give me some advice for his career plan?

who is going to responsible for such a big thing?

qqyang

If the agent or employer concern about the personal behaviour of your husband, that's a bad jump, because the behaviour for marketing guy is totally different to the ideal behaviour for accounting people.

astina

The big word ‘career plan’ scares me straight away. I even do not know my own career plan. How can I advise anybody else on that? I could probably only give you my opinion on your husband’s possible move from marketing to accounting.

No, the move doesn’t sound promising to me. He’s had no previous experience. Some accounting-related subjects taken in uni ages ago wouldn’t count much. Basically he would have to start from nil and his past working experience would mean virtually nothing as that was in a totally different area. At the completion of his TAFE course, there would be no guarantee for a decent job. Take a moment to ask yourselves, how would this prospect look like?

As to CPA assessment, I doubt how many subjects he would have to take before being able to start doing CPA. Many accounting graduates from China may have to take 5-6 subjects if their course outlines are not written well enough, let alone those not majoring in accounting at all. Mind you it could turn out to be a long and painful journey and get both of you well prepared if you are really THAT determined.

On top of all these technical difficulties, please do not ignore the delicate yet important psychological implications, especially during the first 2 years when you both face changes and uncertainties. Moving to a new country, changing to a new area, facing an uncertain future in both career and life, how well would he, a probably 30-year-old man who’s got some kind of material success in China, handle and cope?

It may be tougher to get the initial breakthrough to marketing jobs than to IT & accounting jobs but here we are not in lack of good examples such as 小贝塔 & 蜻蜓, who took great pains in job hunting in marketing area but finally secured themselves suitable roles, from which moved to even better positions. According to your description, your husband is an outgoing people person who loves communication, coordination and organisation. I believe he would enjoy himself more in marketing than in accounting. It is true that marketing jobs can be very demanding on language skills but I doubt how someone not speaking decent English can find & secure himself a decent accounting job and move himself up in the accounting ladder.

Having said the above, I do realise that people can be very different and I barely know you or your husband. I only gave my 2 cents from the mere facts you mentioned in your post but there may be other facts or potentials that I oversee in getting to the conclusion. You may have already made up your mind and all you want to hear is a convincing confirmation, which I failed to give. Anyhow, I would like to take the chance to remind you of the value of past working experience and the risks and costs of the possible switch to a new area. Wish you best of luck and hope you two will enjoy Australia more after making an informed decision.

mandywong

I really do appreciate your honest and valuable advice astina and all of u...thank u so much...
to be frank,we had started to think about his future career about 1 year before when we began to prepare for the migration,and of course we had been thinking about it since then...

it's really a hard decision...for me and of course more for him
in fact he did not like accounting when he was in college for varies of reasons,the boring book,the boring teaching style of the teacher and so forth...so he was in a dilemma when he began to think about picking up accounting knowledge,and I told him it's not a final decision yet,just have a try on that book (I've borrowed an intermediate accounting book from my colleague came back from Canada)...

To my surprise,after several weeks reading,he told me he did understand it easily and liked it,i just remembered how happy he was when he told me that at that moment,even more,he made an conclusion that accounting is hard for most of people to touch and jump into but easier to grasp than marketing. In his opinion,marketing(PR/event/creative design) is somehow  subjective and not accurate as accounting,u can't find an exacte way to follow,whether or not your work to be accepted or abandoned is up to your client or your boss,the only one person,not a standard or an industrial convention as we did in accounting.

To tell u the truth, I was so happy when he told me that,since I had been worrying about how bad he felt about that book I gave him and even worried it might lead him to a deadend on accounting study.

From then on,he began to do the accounting work of his bar and firm by himself, initially with my hlep of course,and began to ask me many many questions on this issue,furthermore,he began to learn the MYOB and search for some requirement description of the bookeeper or accounting clerk on seek.com...

Honestly I haven't make any conclusion on whether or not for him to start on this field,but i am so happy he had removed the fear and  feel of boring to accounting,even more,he told me that it would be great to have an accounting job than a marketing one haha,since he could have more personal time without an endless job,he is dreaming of it.

Where is the path? Who knows,I don't think there's an easy way for everyone came to a new country,just make effort and do our best,enjoy the experience with joy and pain as well,prepare for the worst and strive for the best----That's what he always speek to me

Thank u so much Astina and all u guys...thank u...

mandywong

对不起...上班习惯了写英文,有时也想着多练习好,烦着大家了sorry...

飞行

挺好的呀，正好学习了。。LZ加油！~

mandywong

多谢各位前辈的热心回答...
其实我们也真是都在很认真的考虑这个问题...虽然都觉得很艰难,但只要在一起,互相鼓励扶持...或者明天会更好呢
回头想想...其实自己也觉得转变也不一定坏
我自己也有想过不做回审计或会计,或者做点小business或者去做点心师呢,我喜欢烹饪嘻嘻
只要找到生活的依靠,管它做什么呢,开心就行了

bulaohu

原帖由 astina 于 2006-10-27 10:55 发表
The big word ‘career plan’ scares me straight away. I even do not know my own career plan. How can I advise anybody else on that? I could probably only give you my opinion on your husband’s poss ...

AS这篇英文作业可以用来作为本坛其他同学们学习和敬仰的范文。。。不是说没错误，而是整个味道真正英文化了。。。

astina

thanks bulaohu for your nice comments but honestly there is still a long way to go...

西边雨

看到你们英文长篇大论，只能一边惭愧，一边着急，一边学习了

havealook

看完英语抹把汗...

qqyang

原帖由 astina 于 2006-10-27 10:55 发表
Having said the above, I do realise that people can be very different and I barely know either you or your husband. I only gave my 2 cents from the mere facts you mentioned in your post but there may be other facts or potentials that I oversee in getting to the conclusion. You may have already made up your mind and all you want to hear is a convincing confirmation, which I failed to give. Anyhow, I would like to take the chance to remind you of the value of past working experience and the risks and costs of the possible switch to a new area. Wish you best of luck and hope you two will enjoy Australia more after making an informed decision.  

Beautiful conclusion!!!

Based on my knowledge, the subjects in TAFE are not counted by CPA Australia, so ur husband has to study the whole subjects (13 or 12?)  in a certified course.  It would take him at least one and a half year, and after he finish all the subjects, he need to pass the exams, at least another 1 and a half year.

Significant opportunity cost Ah~~~think over la...

mandywong

AS的英文实在太好了...很local啊...真是咱们学习的好榜样...

说回我husband的情况啦,其实他也考虑过到Mel后看能否strive for a post of event coordinator
毕竟Mel的Events还是挺多挺interesting的
只是他在这边总结觉得language和对local culture的深刻理解和灵活运用是做好这一行的先决条件
或者说这方面我得承认比起做accounting来讲,对语言文化的要求的确是高的
因为即使在GZ,我自己做审计,虽然比起accountant,需要的communication skills还要多一些,毕竟对的clients种类多,client的人事风格也不同,人的性格喜好也不同,所以有时还需要就着他们的脾性去沟通、说话,有时我觉得communicate skills比起我的auditing的技巧还重要
但比起他做event,做design,很多都是因应文化底蕴含义和现代衍生义去做,我的还是相对简单很多了
所以就着理解也觉得到Au后情况应该不会很大不同吧,于是有了之前的想法咯.
至于他的accounting sense,开始我也很担心,不过后来看他看那些书那么有兴趣,真的舒了一口气,即使不能从事这行,也使他消除了对这个领域的不解和厌烦,我们之间的共同话题也更多了
另一方面,他对酒吧和公司的经营经验,或者可以使他能从business owner的角度去多考虑些问题,也许能帮助他对整个framework的理解啦,可能也妄想着某天能secure a post in a small firm啦,不知是不是有点过于理想化呢?

mandywong

原帖由 qqyang 于 2006-10-27 15:58 发表


Beautiful conclusion!!!

Based on my knowledge, the subjects in TAFE are not counted by CPA Australia, so ur husband has to study the whole subjects (13 or 12?)  in a certified course.  It wo ...

thanks for your words
in fact we've got that image before
taking TAFE is not for credit the courses required by CPA enrolment,but just let him have a formal study of accounting and keep closer to that industry,of course as mentioned by AS,it can't guarantee any positions...just get more chance.
2 years,another 2 years...it's not a long time in his mind,he told me he aim at fully getting involved in this industry within 5-6 years,and still leave some window on it,just do his upmost and enjoy the life meanwhile.
that's just a plan,sometimes we might only change with the circumstances

ADD:my courses syllabus was made by him not me,even it had only passed the ten courses of the NIA,not CPA,we r now striving for my 7 or more and his 5 or more subjests credited by CPA assessment...God bless me and my honey haha

bulaohu

以bulaohu为首的几位同学们掀起了轰轰烈烈的拍AS马屁运动...

havealook

:-D

astina

lz lg过来念个TAFE学点这边的会计啊税啊什么的同时考察市场,然后就自己做个生意得了

riverstone

俺觉得还是搞本行好.......再弄ACCOUNTING............又事从头再来.........也不容易............还不如去读个MARKERTING方面的书....边读边找机会...........

mandywong

原帖由 astina 于 2006-10-27 16:27 发表
lz lg过来念个TAFE学点这边的会计啊税啊什么的同时考察市场,然后就自己做个生意得了

哇...做生意啊?无本钱呢...
仲系好希望能努力稳到份甘上下工,多番D私人时间咯,在GZ这边已经做到好疲累了,是心累,没有休息的感觉

To riverstone:Thanks...
可能现在也在考虑,如果可以的话还是转行学做点技术性相对强D的工吧,marketing的东西讲到底都是虚一点,当然, marketing research还是有一定统计学技术含量的,其他如Adversting,PR,Event,Design等都相对主观D,而且呢一行真系比较忙.
以前honey开酒吧时讲:凌晨3点还走在街上的有3种人: 妓女、警察、广告人
真是肺腑之言啊哈哈
另外考虑的是读Open Uni Au是为了省些钱，毕竟是为了credit CPA的core cirriculum，真知还是来自于practise和experience的多吧

daffodil

原帖由 bulaohu 于 2006-10-27 15:13 发表


AS这篇英文作业可以用来作为本坛其他同学们学习和敬仰的范文。。。不是说没错误，而是整个味道真正英文化了。。。

我才叫真惭愧, 连错误也没看出来

跟着前辈拍前辈的MP, :si2

lampoo

两位MM的英文真不错啊

a711012

good!!

mandywong

惨哉...看来我这个求助post变成了英语讨论帖了

各位前辈能不能就我husband的情况多批评,多给些点子呢?谢谢了

魅影妖瞳

其实ACC也有几门是需要对文化和概念有了解的,更别说法律对于英文的要求了,整个就俩字"头大"

widelink

原帖由 astina 于 2006-10-27 10:55 发表
The big word ‘career plan’ scares me straight away. I even do not know my own career plan. How can I advise anybody else on that? I could probably only give you my opinion on your husband’s poss ...

加分先， 其次  偶要剽窃这篇文章，先告知一声:si109

另  楼主的这个问题是个皮球，或者说是个烫山药，最好找专业的顾问们资讯一下

筒子们虽然热情可嘉，但也不是医生，谁知道一个方子下去是嘛结果啊， 所以没有楼主期待的分析或者建议也很正常，太极推手 ^_^

mandywong

原帖由 魅影妖瞳 于 2006-10-27 19:01 发表
其实ACC也有几门是需要对文化和概念有了解的,更别说法律对于英文的要求了,整个就俩字"头大"

thanks for your advice:)
其实我并没有刻意去比较marketing和ACC中语言的问题，确实law的语言要求也很高啊

只是从我俩的实际工作中感觉到他确实时常需要去引经据典、咬文嚼字，或者为了一句响亮的slogan或者presentation的美化而开夜车忙乎好几天,而我就基本上帮不上什么忙，并且时常这些因素对是否能做或做得好这个project是决定性的,而不是锦上添花的问题咯

另外可能我误导各位了，需要补充一小点：他的Eng is better than me
所以如果我能应付的话，相信他也基本问题不大吧

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mandywong

原帖由 widelink 于 2006-10-27 19:12 发表


加分先， 其次  偶要剽窃这篇文章，先告知一声:si109

另  楼主的这个问题是个皮球，或者说是个烫山药，最好找专业的顾问们资讯一下

筒子们虽然热情可嘉，但也不是医生，谁知道一个方子下去是嘛结果啊， ...

oh...sorry for that...
确实烦着大家了。。。
或者是我过于担心啦
my husband就相对乐观一些，他觉得没什么困难是很可怕的，乐观积极一点就OK了
再者...work to live,not live to work
我们都是挺享受生活的人（清茶淡饭也是香啊）
只是讨论这个问题时希望能得到各位前辈的一些批评启示啦。。。

widelink

原帖由 mandywong 于 2006-10-27 19:21 发表



oh...sorry for that...
确实烦着大家了。。。
或者是我过于担心啦
my husband就相对乐观一些，他觉得没什么困难是很可怕的，乐观积极一点就OK了
再者...work to live,not live to work
我们都是挺享受 ...

乐观，积极，坚持， 基本上干什么都可以了