法官在做宣判结词时怒骂谢连斌丧尽天良，毁了孤女一生

bbc007

吧谢关进监狱，让其他囚犯折腾他，慢慢地他就说实话了

笑和尚

gohappy 发表于 2017-2-14 07:25
“开门的钥匙是保存在谢家备用钥匙的复制品”

“凶手为确保可以使用凶器大力击打且不离手，在凶器握柄上 ...

呵呵，证据链，有主要证据，有辅助证据，只要成功组链，你可以质疑其中某些辅助证据孤立来看有瑕疵，但是你无法动摇整个证据链的完整和逻辑线路。

村西大树

笑和尚 发表于 2017-2-14 07:56
人面兽心，性侵自己的外甥女也算是素质高吗？

准确地说是内侄女，与谢没有血缘关系

gohappy

笑和尚 发表于 2017-2-14 14:59
呵呵，证据链，有主要证据，有辅助证据，只要成功组链，你可以质疑其中某些辅助证据孤立来看有瑕疵，但是 ...

我不懂你的证据链，难道就是我们说的编故事，你所谓的辅助证据就是为了故事圆满而编的？如何确认开门的钥匙是谢家保存的钥匙？如何确认凶器上邦了绳子等？这些是你说的辅助证据？不需要确认只需要脑补？

笑和尚

gohappy 发表于 2017-2-14 07:35
我不懂你的证据链，难道就是我们说的编故事，你所谓的辅助证据就是为了故事圆满而编的？如何确认开门的钥 ...

不是我能所谓出啥辅助证据，这证据都是警察搜集，经过控辩双方四审交替核查过滤后经得起考验的官方发表的证据，你的过时新闻消息也就供人茶余饭后打饱嗝剔牙时候助消化当个非花边新闻用用可以，还提的上是啥故事？还编，你能编圆让陪审团采纳？那百万澳元不就你去就行了，还轮到着洋人“基味"律师(猫儿不笨说的）来拿？

xhchris

rocca2011 发表于 2017-2-14 14:57
怎么知道开门的钥匙是复制谢家的备用钥匙而不是复制其他的钥匙？

科学鉴证的结果：
法官判词第26条说：
I am satisfied that the key the offender used to enter 55A Boundary Road with the intention of killing at least Min and Lily Lin was cut from a spare key that had been entrusted to the offender’s wife for her safe keeping. I am also satisfied that in perpetrating the murders the offender used knowledge he had acquired as a family member, including, in particular, the layout of the bedrooms upstairs and the location of the power box to enable him to enter the house by stealth.

wef

我觉得林家女儿还是离开悉尼吧，这是你的伤心地，在这里时不时她会不时接触到这个让你伤心的惨案的信息，这会让你伤上加伤，去中国去美国去欧洲，反正只要到一个让你自己感觉平静的地方，抛弃一切负面心理从新开始新生活，毕竟你的人生最美好的时光才刚刚展开，让自己活好才是对已逝家人最好的安慰。

aprilpoon

hornsay 发表于 2017-2-14 10:41
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/robert-xie-given-five-life-sentences-for-lin-family-murders-20170212-gub ...

法官的宣判陈词有三千八百多字，你真有心要知道法官的态度，不要凭新闻一句话，来这里读一读全文：http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bi ... /NSWSC/2017/63.html

没有时间的话search 'I am", 马上可以看到法官表明她相信什么是事实。基本上她除了表示对作案动机有存疑和她不确定谢妻当晚有没有被下药，她全部满意控方证据。同时考虑到此案的恶劣程度和对孤女的伤害，她给出了如此重的惩罚。另外她的陈词还提到了一些新闻没有报道的细节，例如她认为为什么谢妻给出的不在场证明不可信：

The jury were directed that they were entitled to have regard to all of the evidence led at trial when considering whether the Crown had negatived alibi beyond reasonable doubt. While I consider it very likely that the offender sedated his wife, I am unable to be satisfied of that fact beyond reasonable doubt. There remains, in my view, a possibility that Kathy Lin simply did not wake when the offender left the house sometime after 2am on 18 July 2009, returning later that morning. In coming to that view, I have taken into account Kathy Lin’s evidence that she had never woken to find the offender not beside her in bed and would always wake if he left the bed for any reason. Since I accept Ms AB’s evidence that the offender entered the bedroom she shared with the offender’s son and sexually assaulted her on repeated occasions between August 2009, when she became a member of the offender’s household, and when he was arrested in May 2011, Kathy Lin’s evidence that she would always wake if the offender left the bed, and that he had never done so and gone into Ms AB’s bedroom at night, cannot be accepted as reliable

当然你们也可以说法官说的不一定是真相，但拜托至少不要再造谣说法官认为证据不足但陪审团判了她也没有办法了吧！

xhchris

gohappy 发表于 2017-2-14 14:55
“开门的钥匙是保存在谢家备用钥匙的复制品”

“凶手为确保可以使用凶器大力击打且不离手，在凶器握柄上 ...

当然是证据！科学鉴证结果不是证据？
关于钥匙，判词第26条
I am satisfied that the key the offender used to enter 55A Boundary Road with the intention of killing at least Min and Lily Lin was cut from a spare key that had been entrusted to the offender’s wife for her safe keeping. I am also satisfied that in perpetrating the murders the offender used knowledge he had acquired as a family member, including, in particular, the layout of the bedrooms upstairs and the location of the power box to enable him to enter the house by stealth.

关于凶器，判词第12条和判词25条
A large number of rope mark impressions in blood were identified within the crime scene. They were concentrated on the walls of the bedrooms where Irene Lin and the children were found. By their number and configuration, it was clear that a rope was implicated in the attack on those three deceased. It was the opinion of the crime scene analysts that the rope was initially wrapped either around the handle of the hammer-like weapon, or the hand or wrist of the murderer, that it became unfurled in the course of the attack on Min and Lily Lin and was free hanging when the murderer left their bedroom and entered Irene Lin’s bedroom where the weapon was wielded multiple times at her face and head before the murderer moved to the children’s bedroom where they were attacked.

The Crown placed particular reliance on the meticulous planning that preceded the murders as evidenced, amongst other things, by the offender’s construction and use of an improvised murder weapon. I am satisfied the offender attached rope to a hammer-like weapon, most likely to ensure that he did not lose control of the weapon as he wielded it at the heads and faces of Min and Lily Lin, and in order to maximise the degree of assaultive force to ensure that he killed them with speed and efficiency. I am also satisfied that the rope remained attached to the weapon, but free hanging, as it was wielded at Irene Lin and then the two children, becoming blood soaked in the process of those assaults.

hornsay

aprilpoon 发表于 2017-2-14 15:15
法官的宣判陈词有三千八百多字，你真有心要知道法官的态度，不要凭新闻一句话，来这里读一读全文：http:/ ...

呵呵，造谣。

造谣用得着把英文post出来？

你去看看谁先把英文post出来？

碧姐

eguan88 发表于 2017-2-14 14:12
谢有罪的有利证据

1. 四人DNA的血迹

所以我信谢有罪

yauway

hornsay 发表于 2017-2-14 15:21
呵呵，造谣。

造谣用得着把英文post出来？

把英文post出来又怎么了？踩着你尾巴了？

rocca2011

xhchris 发表于 2017-2-14 15:12
科学鉴证的结果：
法官判词第26条说：
I am satisfied that the key the offender used to enter 55A Bou ...

谢谢。这就真脱不了干系了

eguan88

杀人现场的蛛丝马迹都是可以用物理和法医学推断还原的

hornsay

yauway 发表于 2017-2-14 15:24
把英文post出来又怎么了？踩着你尾巴了？

我没有尾巴。

wollonguy

aprilpoon 发表于 2017-2-14 15:15
法官的宣判陈词有三千八百多字，你真有心要知道法官的态度，不要凭新闻一句话，来这里读一读全文：http:/ ...

他只是英文看岔了，后来也承认了，但这判词还是说服不了他，要说服一个男人很难。

碧姐

aprilpoon 发表于 2017-2-14 15:15
法官的宣判陈词有三千八百多字，你真有心要知道法官的态度，不要凭新闻一句话，来这里读一读全文：http:/ ...

纵观整个宣判词，得不出法官认为证据不足的结论。

hornsay

eguan88 发表于 2017-2-14 15:27
杀人现场的蛛丝马迹都是可以用物理和法医学推断还原的

很可惜这个法医说没法确定死亡时间。

死亡时间就是前一天晚上到第二天早上。

hornsay

wollonguy 发表于 2017-2-14 15:28
他只是英文看岔了，后来也承认了，但这判词还是说服不了他，要说服一个男人很难。 ...

还是你理解我。

wollonguy

hornsay 发表于 2017-2-14 15:29
很可惜这个法医说没法确定死亡时间。

死亡时间就是前一天晚上到第二天早上。 ...

确定精准的死亡时间是很难的，现代刑侦一般根据尸体的腐烂程度来判断（有些根据尸检胃肠内食物消化程度等等），所以不能精确到几时几分。当然电影里还有发现死者停摆的手表之类来判断死亡时间的辅助方法。

hornsay

wollonguy 发表于 2017-2-14 15:33
确定精准的死亡时间是很难的，现代刑侦一般根据尸体的腐烂程度来判断（有些根据尸检胃肠内食物消化程度等 ...

我以前有法医同学，出国了失去联系了。

按照百度的说法，2天之内误差1小时。

所以我觉得法医的说法有疑问。

aprilpoon

hornsay 发表于 2017-2-14 15:21
呵呵，造谣。

造谣用得着把英文post出来？

三千多字的陈词你贴一句话就说你知道法官的态度很明确了，这不是造谣是什么？被逮住撒谎很难受吧？贴也总得把人家整句话贴完吧？

While either or both of those motives may have been what motivated the offender to execute the meticulously planned murder of at least Min and Lily Lin (irrespective of whether that plan also contemplated the potential that other occupants of the house might need to be killed if they were roused from sleep by the force of his attack on Min and Lily Lin, to avoid them identifying him as the killer or raising the alarm and inhibiting him from leaving the house unseen), I am unable to make that finding beyond reasonable doubt. However, given that I am satisfied that the offender entered the Lin family home knowing the occupants would be asleep, that he disabled the power in order to exercise control over them and that he was armed with a weapon fashioned for the purpose of applying maximum assaultive force, the fact that I am unable to reach a point of satisfaction to the criminal standard as to what in fact motivated him to do what he did does nothing to diminish the gravity of his offending.

尽管（控方提出的）两个动机都有可能，我无法在超越合理怀疑的准则上做出判断。但基于我同意罪犯在受害人熟睡的情况下进入林家，他切断电源以控制他们，以及他带着以达到最大伤害程度为目的的凶器，我对凶手作案动机的存疑不影响此案的恶劣程度。

我建议你还是把法官的陈词看完了，再回来跟大家说你决定法官是支持有罪还是无罪。如果英文需要帮助，我有时间可以帮你翻译一下

笑和尚

wollonguy 发表于 2017-2-14 08:03
确定精准的死亡时间是很难的，现代刑侦一般根据尸体的腐烂程度来判断（有些根据尸检胃肠内食物消化程度等 ...

人死后，由于血液循环停止，心血管内血液缺乏动力，依其本身重力而循血管网坠积于尸体未受压迫的低下部位，从而在皮肤上显现出边缘不清、红色或暗红色的斑块，称为尸斑。

尸斑一般常在死亡1～1.5小时出现。在极少情况下也有早在死后30分钟或晚到6～8小时才出现的。

尸斑的颜色，主要决定于血液中血红蛋白的颜色。由于死亡原因不同，尸斑有时也会有一些特征性的表现的程度可以大致确定死亡时间。

肥羊

禽兽不如

wollonguy

笑和尚 发表于 2017-2-14 15:38
人死后，由于血液循环停止，心血管内血液缺乏动力，依其本身重力而循血管网坠积于尸体未受压迫的低下部位 ...

对，所以只能大致确定，因为个体有不同，周围环境的温度湿度也影响，法医只能给个区间。

hornsay

aprilpoon 发表于 2017-2-14 15:38
三千多字的陈词你贴一句话就说你知道法官的态度很明确了，这不是造谣是什么？被逮住撒谎很难受吧？贴也总 ...

麻烦你仔细看一下我的post，以及链接的来源。都在这个帖子里。贴的时候还没有几千字的判词呢。

所有的英文听写来自于video里面。

不要乱想象吗。

qazxsww

  想不明白的是犯了那么大的案子还能有那么大的胆子去性侵小女孩。。

syd1820

就算冤枉了他，性侵孤女判他个终身也不为过

黛玉

这样的性侵亲戚家的幼女，即使杀人是冤枉的，也该终身监禁了。

dreamcometrue

可怜的女孩