一个新移民眼中加拿大和澳大利亚的区别

tiehan

华人在加拿大的地位还算可以。据统计，仅仅次于英裔和法裔，还高于犹太裔。移民第二代融入相对容易。

守望者

这篇文章貌似很熟悉。

马到成功

原帖由 wulinxiaoxiao 于 2011-5-25 19:49 发表
我想目前中国人上广泛认为适合国家主要有四个：北美的美国和加拿大;大洋洲的澳大利亚和新西兰。其中美国和新西兰因为各自都有很严重的劣势（前者要求太高，后者经济不够发达）目前中国移民大多集中在澳大利亚和加拿大。本人 ...

这篇是copy过来的，几年前就有了

tiehan

其实别说两个国家，就是一个国家里的不同城市，差别也大了去了。哪怕就算是在一个城市里住着，不同的时间，不同的机遇，也会有不同的命运。

人生不用太计较得失，多走走，多尝试，多体验，生活一定无悔。

goooo

不喜欢冷的地方，所以从来没有考虑过加拿大

garysmith

Indexes Difference       
Consumer Prices in Toronto are 13.47% lower than in Sydney
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Toronto are 18.57% lower than in Sydney
Rent Prices in Toronto are 31.34% lower than in Sydney
Restaurant Prices in Toronto are 22.43% lower than in Sydney
Groceries Prices in Toronto are 13.87% lower than in Sydney
Local Purchasing Power in Toronto is 6.16% higher than in Sydney

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-li ... y&city2=Toronto

garysmith

Consumer Prices in Calgary are 23.61% lower than in Perth
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Calgary are 19.30% lower than in Perth
Rent Prices in Calgary are 4.28% higher than in Perth
Restaurant Prices in Calgary are 34.76% lower than in Perth
Groceries Prices in Calgary are 6.96% lower than in Perth
Local Purchasing Power in Calgary is 14.53% higher than in Perth

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-li ... h&city2=Calgary

garysmith

Indexes Difference       
Consumer Prices in Montreal are 12.23% lower than in Melbourne
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Montreal are 17.44% lower than in Melbourne
Rent Prices in Montreal are 33.61% lower than in Melbourne
Restaurant Prices in Montreal are 0.22% higher than in Melbourne
Groceries Prices in Montreal are 7.45% lower than in Melbourne
Local Purchasing Power in Montreal is 0.90% lower than in Melbourne

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-li ... &city2=Montreal

Robbie2018

记得楼主

garysmith

Consumer Prices in Ottawa are 19.49% lower than in Canberra
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Ottawa are 20.89% lower than in Canberra
Rent Prices in Ottawa are 25.75% lower than in Canberra
Restaurant Prices in Ottawa are 14.66% lower than in Canberra
Groceries Prices in Ottawa are 7.51% lower than in Canberra
Local Purchasing Power in Ottawa is 22.43% higher than in Canberra

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-li ... ra&city2=Ottawa

Robbie2018

加拿大好移民吗？我关心这个。

苜蓿无肉

我还一位是小小写的帖子呢

garysmith

原帖由 tiehan 于 2011-5-25 21:27 发表
投移，加拿大比澳洲门槛低，容易移民。

温哥华的容量比悉尼小多了，只是个百万人口的城市。

来的款多，房子少，供求关系的影响，房价当然就坐飞机了。

温哥华的概念只限温哥华岛，还有西温，北温，richmond等，和澳洲的城市概念似乎不一样

garysmith

原帖由 ganbu 于 2011-5-25 21:36 发表
lz跟小小逐项pk吧，
好让我们有个全面的了解。
我们看惯了小小的帖，基本上有了加拿大比澳洲差得不是一星半点的印象。
楼主有证据反驳吗？

不至于吧，对新移民，加拿大更宽容些。

zhengtao

加拿大那么冷，冬天钓不了鱼，不喜欢。

garysmith

原帖由 tiehan 于 2011-5-25 19:46 发表
中国人移民澳纽的，回流相对比加拿大少很多，主要原因就是福利好，住满两年，即使没工作过，也能终生拿失业救济，生存没问题。而在加拿大就不行了，一旦失业，生存都困难。

这里有两个概念

“失业金”（Employment Insurance,简称EI）。这笔钱初到加拿大是领不到的。顾名思义，只有工作一段时间后，失业了，才能拿到这笔钱。现行政策规定，在过去一年中连续工作910小时，失业了即可领这笔钱，通常是你原月薪的56%，可连续拿十个月，注意有几中情况你将拿不到失业金，一是由于你犯严重错误而被老板开除，二是由于你自动辞职。

“社会福利金”（Social Welfare）。这是加拿大福利体系的一块基石，是用于保证每个加拿大人能保持一个基本的生活标准，即有吃有住有穿，没有收入，而且银行存款在1000元以下的每个人都能申请到这笔钱，单身人士可获每月500-700加元，三口之家可有1100-1300加元左右，已足够维持一个低水准生活，如果一直没有工作，则可以永远拿下去。正因为如此，加拿大养了很多懒人，就靠这笔钱过日子，很多纳税人对此很有看法，政府这几年也试图正在改革，但请注意，新移民通常在头6个月内是不能领这笔钱的，因为理论上，各位来都要带一笔钱，而且这笔钱能维持6个月的生活。

实在不想令救济，就申请上学贷款，一般贷款可以cover一部分生活费。这就是为什么加拿大的失业率高于澳洲的原因，失业了有EI拿，还可以上学，再就业的动力不足。

在魁北克，靠上法语课等就可以维持生活，福利高于澳洲

bjzh

说一个反面观点，一直困惑我的，是澳洲上面有臭氧层空洞，容易皮肤癌，好像加国没有哎。

tiehan

Social Welfare的条件太苛刻了，有房的还得先把房卖了，花得就剩500，1000的才行，国人很难蛋定到那程度的。

tiehan

北极上空的臭氧层也破了。

tiehan

加拿大是北极圈的国家，淡水资源丰富，100年后，这可能是个大优势 。

tanshen

原帖由 tiehan 于 2011-5-25 19:45 发表
我在澳大利亚和加拿大各住了三年，有些体会，与大家分享：

客观地说，两国都各有所长，各有利弊。

阅毕,继续看.

[ 本帖最后由 tanshen 于 2011-5-26 07:21 编辑 ]

kawara

原帖由 garysmith 于 2011-5-25 22:51 发表


这里有两个概念

“失业金”（Employment Insurance,简称EI）。这笔钱初到加拿大是领不到的。顾名思义，只有工作一段时间后，失业了，才能拿到这笔钱。现行政策规定，在过去一年中连续工作910小时，失业了即可领这笔钱，通常是你原 ...

这个EI相当不错

rasputin

加拿大的中东人多吗？

Bessy

原帖由 马到成功 于 2011-5-25 21:38 发表
原帖由 wulinxiaoxiao 于 2011-5-25 19:49 发表
我想目前中国人上广泛认为适合国家主要有四个：北美的美国和加拿大;大洋洲的澳大利亚和新西兰。其中美国和新西兰因为各自都有很严重的劣势（前者要求太高，后者经济不够发达）目前中国移民大多集中在澳大利亚和加拿大。本人 ...

马到成功 于 2011-5-25 21:38 发表
这篇是copy过来的，几年前就有了

是6年前看过， http://forum.iask.ca/showthread.php?p=296234

[ 本帖最后由 Bessy 于 2011-5-26 08:32 编辑 ]

josephineyan

原帖由 garysmith 于 2011-5-25 21:54 发表
Indexes Difference       
Consumer Prices in Toronto are 13.47% lower than in Sydney
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Toronto are 18.57% lower than in Sydney
Rent Prices in Toronto are 31.34% lower than in ...

我之前有个朋友加拿大人的，她说悉尼市在太贵了。。。房子贵，吃饭贵，衣服贵。。。收入看上去高，可是ｔａｘ太高。
我也不知道，没去过，没法比较。不过悉尼贵也不是一天两天了。

alewela

有意思

garysmith

http://www.examiner.com/finance- ... f-living-comparison
这位爷是坚定的加拿大fun，和wulinxiaoxiao有的一拼

Canada and Australia are two top destinations for immigrations, there are many misperceptions about both markets, this article summarizes the key differences in living cost based on personal experiences.

1) Mortgage Rate

Mortgage rate: Australia: Between 7 %to 8% each year. If you choose a fix rate, it will be much higher; Canada: 2.3% to 2.5% for variable rate, 4.5% for fixed rate.

2) Housing Price: Housing price in Canada has been climbing but it is still far cheaper than in Australia.

Overall, the housing cost (rent or to own) is somewhere between 50% to 60% cheaper than in Australia; Australia is facing a real housing crisis at moment with lack of land available for development.

Take someone’s example recently

In Sydney, a $650,000 house means a 2 to 3 bedroom house, tiny bedrooms, probably 30km away from city and would need a lot of renovations. Another big cost will be stamp duty on properties in Australia, which can add another $30,000 to $50,000 on top of your purchase price.

In GTA, a $650,000 is sufficient to buy a 4 to 5 bedroom house in good areas, usually with fitted out basements, and you only need a small renovation, it is also common to have double garages and 3 bathrooms for this kind of price. You may not live within the subway lines, but it will be serviced by GO or buses.

3) Food Saving: Food cost is a real saving in North America, based on our personal experience, it is around 50% to 70% cheaper in Canada. It is common in Canada to feed a family of 4 for under $25 (dine out), the same will be over $60 easily in Australia.

Grocery bills, if you choose to cook your own, the savings is even more significant. The grocery bill in Australia is now around minimum $350 per week for a family of 4, it is higher if you are in Queensland or Western Australia.

4) Utilities: Here is another significant saving you can achieve in Canada despite that the fact Canada needs more heating during winters. The authorities here are generous in the way that they use lower tariff during winters to reduce the heating bills for families during winters.

There is also less bill to pay, Hydro is already both water+electricity, you pay separate bill for heating (natural gas); as opposed to 3 separate bills in Australia. The tariff here is much lower in Canada, water is quite cheap in Canada compared to many places in the world.

6) Transportation Cost: Several things are far more cheaper in Canada. First, parking fees are almost non-existent in Toronto (at least in suburban areas). Parking in downtown, many have told me how expensive they are is like $15 max per day…which in Sydney, this is how much you pay for just 1 hour in CBD maybe even less in carparks in downtown.

7) Government Charges: Licensing is cheap here, license plate is less than $100 a year compared to $500+ a year in NSW. Licensing fee is also reasonable, it costs $75 for 3 years, as opposed to $120+ in NSW.

8) Property Tax: One thing that is new for many Australian immigrants in Canada is Property Tax, it’s similar to council rate in Australia.

While it is higher in Canada, it actually offers much more services. Community Centres are important activity centres in Canada (across all cities), and you can find good facilities in both libraries and communities centers. Most importantly, property tax in Canada is also used to fund schools in the local areas. Additionally, there is no such thing as school bus in Australia.

Recent survey has shown significant increase number of Australians moving to Canada; which is always a surprise to many Canadians. The truth is, the salary level between Australia and Canada is very comparable, but once accounted for the tax rate and the cost of living between the 2 countries, it would be comparatively easier for many Australians to set up in Canada, it will be easier for them to own a house here and raise family.

[ 本帖最后由 garysmith 于 2011-5-26 09:05 编辑 ]

golden100

很下功夫了

garysmith

http://www.examiner.com/finance- ... australia-to-canada
这位爷是坚定的加拿大fun，连感情牌都打出来，wulinxiaoxiao要努力了

We get asked this all the time in Canada, why are you moving from Australia to Canada?

In Australia, we actually get asked “how did you move to Canada?”, or “ Can you bring me with you in your suitcase”

Is grass always greener? it’s ironic to see increasing number of Australians are keen to move to US, Canada; whereas Canadians are thinking about moving to Australia.

In the end, there is no clear answer, for me, the reasons are:

1) Move for a change in life-style: when you live in a place for a long time, you want to have a change, sometimes this is an emotional move, sometimes, it is a more rational move.

A more rational person will travel to the new place first and understand what the real life is like, as opposed to having a holiday.

2) Move for a family reason: As a family man, and with responsibility both for the family and the business, our decision was not a simple decision, we have done a lot of research including 2 visits to Canada prior to our decision.

The truth is, we are finding life in Australia getting much harder than what it was like before. First, you want to change the way you live in Australia, but it does not work, and with the highest inflation in living cost in the western world, it is becoming very hard for many families in Australia, that was what prompted us to consider moving – we then considered Canada and United States; and in the end, decided to settle in Canada as it seems to be more family friendly.

3) Do you see future for your kids: Someone has said to me recently, “I moved because I wake up every morning and I do not see future for my kids” – that is an awful feeling. This often relates to education and opportunities; especially for small economies.

4) Business decision -  we also moved because of the business reason. We started our business in 2009 and see where it would take us, ironically, after 18 months of operations; we have found out 90%+ businesses are coming outside Australia, mainly North America.

While our business is mostly online, there were many days which you had to answer phone calls in the middle of night.

And we are not alone, many Australian businesses have relocated to US or Canada, as you have to be where the customers are, customers will not come to you, you have to go to them.

The big bonus in having business based here is to capitalize on more opportunities, this is a huge market, Canada and US combined, by being here.

Final decision: Ask yourself where you will be feeling happier. Nothing beats the smile on children’s face. From the very first day we arrived in Canada, there were no regrets, the children are feeling very happy here, they talked about their lunch, they talked about the birds they see, they talked about ice-skating and all the new sports.

Happiness is really the main reason for our relocation, I will always remember the day when I first visited Toronto with my daughter; and deciding if we should move to Toronto. She cried for 4 days when she returned to Australia and asked when would she move to Toronto.

What other reasons do you need when you hear this?

SYDTUTU

再好，也没有家的感觉。。。