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现代文明社会的英雄 Julian Assange (朱利安·阿善) 完成大纲 [复制链接]

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历史会证明  Julian Assange  的行为。。。觉得 他 leak 的,是该 leak 的, 看出了他的正义感和初衷。。。他晒的是粪。。。丑恶的一面。。。
挺 支持 这样的现代正义的“骇客英雄”。。。
但正义之剑用之不当,会伤到 不该受到 伤害的 秘密人群, 希望 wikileak 的正义之剑 用得 得当。。。否则 像 WikiLeaks 創辦人 阿桑奇 说的,聲稱他們一般都會在檔案公開前儘可能通知檔案中涉及到的人物,但是難免還是會造成一些傷害。。。
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你也可以用一块红布遮住眼睛, 看到祖国大地染满了鲜血。


不折不扣的五毛党

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WiKileaks传奇: 高度流动性的新世界与国籍界限的旧世界的冲突

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http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/so ... 20101210-18sr1.html

这篇文章给出了一个很新颖的观点.

澳大利亚是一个网络居民最多的国家之一. 也是一个游历世界人口最多的国家之一, 有1/5的人口在国外的旅行中.

旧的价值观巩固国家秩序: 服从政权, 尊重国界和法律, 稳定, 扎根生活于居住地. Wikileaks传奇展示了和旧的世界相冲突的新的生活方式: 全球化的世界使新时代的公民摆脱了地理和国界的制约. Wikileaks的故事展示了一个新的, 全球化的, 高度流动性的时代. 这个时代的公民逐渐摆脱了出生身份, 而是高度流动, 靠网络联系. 流动的网上社区在网上形成.

新闻业将拥抱这种流动性, 这是人类新的生活方式.

Wilileaks 让我们目睹了这种新的价值观到来的冲突: 阿善先生因为没有具体住址而无法取保, 因为他没有和本地社区的紧密联系有潜逃的可能, 同样因为这个原因, 他也不能在瑞士开银行账户.

Wikileaks的批评者说: 鼓吹这种新的价值观, 接受网络公民的合法性, 会导致无政府主义.

这种新旧价值观的战争令人神往.
网上游民 与 民族国家之间的战争在继续着, 这也许说明我们正生活在一个需要重新定义历史的时刻.

Assange's cyber nomads shed their born identity Brigid Delaney December 11, 2010
There is more than a whiff of Jason Bourne about Julian Assange - the hunt, trusting no one, on the run - all with a revolving backdrop of cities such as London, Stockholm, New York and Washington.
WikiLeaks has become the story of the new, globalised, hyper-mobile age - an age in which the importance of physical place has receded, and community, work, expression and politics are increasingly taking place in cyberspace.
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The children of this globalised age, including Assange, are new nomads: nation-stateless, hyper-connected, international, using English as the lingua franca, travelling from place to place on cheap flights, staying on couches or in short-term sublets. Their lifestyle is enabled by the internet - places to crash are easily found on Craigslist or Couchsurfing.com, or with friends of friends via Facebook. Fluid international communities form this way - often without the investment of much face-time.
Work in this globalised world is untethered by geography - all you need is a laptop and a Wi-Fi connection. Assange epitomises something of the spirit of the age. He moved 37 times by the time he was 14, and seems to be at home in this wandering, homeless state - a true citizen of the world.
According to the London Daily Mail, his possessions consist of ''a blue rucksack containing mobile phones, computer equipment and clothes''.
WikiLeaks itself has a nomadic modus operandi. The New Yorker says: ''It has no paid staff, no copiers, no desks and no office. Assange does not even have a home. He travels from country to country, staying with supporters or friends of friends - as he once put it to me: 'I'm living in an airport these days.' WikiLeaks exists wherever he [Assange] does.''
The site is maintained and funded in this diffuse, global way by volunteers around the world who until recently were able to make donations over the internet through PayPal.
Elements of journalism have altered to encompass this fluid, new way of being.
In a London court this week the spirit of this new age - borderless, nomadic, in a state of structural flux, revelling in all sorts of freedoms - crashed up against the old ways.
When the Westminster judge asked for his address, Assange was unable to answer, providing only a postbox address. The same problem occurred when he tried to open a Swiss bank account.
For the new nomad the best, most useful address is an email address. Mobile phones have replaced landlines. Physical location recedes in importance when you live your life in cyberspace.
Yet perversely, new nomads are highly contactable - on Twitter, Facebook and via email or instant messaging. Much of nomads' lives - communication, work, relationships - are online, leaving their physical selves free to roam. It is much like Assange: technology allowing you to be everywhere and nowhere.
Australians are keen citizens of the world. A 2005 Senate committee report on the Australian diaspora said: ''We live in mobile times. Impediments to overseas travel and employment have increasingly been removed and most governments of advanced economies are facilitating the movement of skilled persons across their borders.'' One in five of us is overseas at any one time.
We are witnessing a clash of values between the old and new ways. It is hard to get bail if you can provide only a postbox address, and Assange was assumed a flight risk because of his ''weak community ties'' in Britain. The values that underpinned the old national state - obeying authority, respect for borders and laws, stability, a life rooted in place - are, in the WikiLeaks saga, pitted against the values of the new, hyper-mobile world: flexibility, freedom of movement, freedom of expression and freedom of ideas.
The nomadic citizens of this second way become their own borderless nation - galvanising their citizens via Twitter, in chat rooms, on forums. Critics of WikiLeaks have said that the triumph of this second set of values, the acceptance of legitimacy of this new form of cyber nation will lead to anarchy.
The battle between old and new is fascinating. You could see it being played out when MasterCard withdrew support for WikiLeaks this week and a transnational community of hackers crashed the credit card website.
But the old rules, countries and citizenship still matter when faced with the serious legal challenges Assange confronts.
As the battle between the global nomad and the nation states plays out, it appears as if we are living through what may come to be a defining moment in history.
Brigid Delaney is the author of This Restless Life.

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原帖由 卷月亮 于 2010-12-11 17:16 发表
历史会证明  Julian Assange  的行为。。。觉得 他 leak 的,是该 leak 的, 看出了他的正义感和初衷。。。他晒的是粪。。。丑恶的一面。。。
挺 支持 这样的现代正义的“骇客英雄”。。。
但正义之剑用之不当,会伤到 不 ...



基本同意你的看法, 阿善先生的行为和骇客无关, 而是媒体行为或者记者行为. 而他要曝光的是政府行为而不是个人行为. 所以他的目标是管理阶层, 而不是某个人. 至今还没有证据显示Wikileaks的曝光造成了对哪个人的伤害, 但是却让大众得到了早就希望了解的却不可能得到的事实证据.

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基本同意你的看法, 阿善先生的行为和骇客无关, 而是媒体行为或者记者行为. 而他要曝光的是政府行为而不是个人行为. 所以他的目标是管理阶层, 而不是某个人. 至今还没有证据显示Wikileaks的曝光造成了对哪个人的伤 ...


现在我觉得人类文明还没有到达100%透明的境界...什么都透明,估计就达不到人类发展了,只有到了前所未有的高度后才可能实现

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我觉得 那个人是疯子 不是英雄。危害社会。
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我觉得他本质上就是个无政府主义者。
极左派跟极右派一样,对社会都是危害而不是建设。

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上面几位都提到了, Wikileaks的要求的透明度的程度或者分寸的问题, 是不是过于极端了.
实际考虑这个问题, 我想说的是, 是不是用双重标准了.
当世界的权利中心国家用他们自己的标准, 民主和人权等所谓普世价值要求发展中国家的时候, 用他们的碳排放计划要求发展中国家的时候, 让弱国按照强国的游戏规则进行战争否则就是恐怖主义的时候, 双重标准自然而然地就产生了. 这里不只是双重标准, 而是天然的偏见. 这种天然的偏见不是天然形成的, 而是从主观的意识形态产生的. 虽然所有的人都骂意识形态战争不是好东西, 但是当当那些所谓的人权组织, 无国界记者, 自由作家在那里高潮般地嘶喊民主和人权的时候, 他们正在从事着疯狂的意识形态战争.

东方文化被这种意识形态的嘲讽和讥笑已经够多了, 但是总还是不嫌多的. 我并不是说Wikileaks不是其中的一员, 他也是的. 但是当他报道肯尼亚非法杀戮事件的时候就能获得大赦国际媒体奖, 但是反过来, 一旦触及了西方社会的老大Sam大叔的时候, 情况就完全变化了. 这就是Wikileaks现在面临的局面, 就是阿善先生现在面临的境地. 从这种意义上来说. Wikileaks 在他泄漏秘密的时候起码只是没有偏见的.  

如果你有心, 可以看看这篇文章. 还是很有"深度"的. 唉, 现在反话说得太多了.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9978/

Time magazine’s 2010 person of the year? Julian Assange, Wikleaks data-dump impresario, might have his work cut out winning that one, what with the rape allegations. Still, he needn’t be too upset though, because there is one field of achievement in which no one can rival this redoubtable enemy of closed doors. That’s right – and I hope I’m not being premature in announcing this – no one deserves a Special Award for Services to National Chauvinism more than Assange.

Ever since the drip-tedious-drip of cabled gossip began last week, the esteem of beleaguered Western liberals has gradually been building. For too long, PC-ness had kept their prejudices in check. For too long, the opportunities for a bit of foreigner-bashing, were just too damned infrequent. For too long, Guardian-reading, New York Times-approving types had been left with little more than attacks on China’s human rights record to go on. As a Westerner, as an American, as a Brit, there just wasn’t that much to feel good about. Then, with the release of loads and loads of confidential diplomatic cables, all their petty, prejudice-heavy Christmases came at once.

Suddenly long-held prejudices about countries and their governments have been able to come out into the open. And all because, in the form of a bunch of second- and third-hand diplomatic reports, these prejudices now have official credence. It’s like a pent-up national chauvinism has now been given the official okay. We can laugh at the Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, the ‘vain, feckless, weak’ head of vain, feckless, weak Italy. We can enjoy the portrait of ‘thin-skinned and authoritarian’ president Sarkozy. And, we can titter at Kim Jong-il, dastardly head of the evil North Korea, ‘a flabby old chap’.

Everywhere one looks, there’s a case of laughing at the failings of others. There’s the mad Arabs bickering amongst themselves. There’s the unfathomable Chinese doing something Amnesty wouldn’t like with Google. On and on it goes. No prejudice about the rest of the world has gone unconfirmed.

This is probably why the contents of the cables, far from exposing the dark workings of the US imperialist machine, have been greeted with something like approval. For example, Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic seems quite chuffed with the whole exposure: ‘Overall, I have to say that this brief glimpse into how the government actually works is actually reassuring. The cable extracts are often sharp, smart, candid and penetrating. Who knew the US government had so many talented diplomats?’

Elsewhere a Bloomberg report concludes: ‘Rather than exposing ineptitude, a reading of a fair portion of the documents suggests that they actually reflect well on US policy and diplomacy.’ And Daniel Drezner in Foreign Policy sees nothing but good, clean international relations: ‘I’m willing to be convinced otherwise, but it strikes me that these leaks show other governments engaged in far more hypocritical behaviour.’

The depiction of Russia as a ‘virtual mafia state’ in which ‘one cannot differentiate between the activities of the government and OC [organised crime] groups’ has been particularly well received in the US and the UK. According to the Guardian’s gleeful portrait, the Russian state is dominated by ‘arms trafficking, money laundering, personal enrichment, protection for gangsters, extortion and kickbacks, suitcases full of money and secret offshore bank accounts in Cyprus’. All of which came as a mighty relief to a columnist at the Daily Telegraph: ‘If any good is to come from the WikiLeaks about Russia, it is that we can finally drop the pretence that we are dealing with a responsible, democratic government that poses no threat to our welfare.’ Of course, the spleen-venting against Russia was not without motivation – it had after all just won the right to host the 2018 World Cup. Or as the Sun put it ‘And the 2018 World Cup is awarded to… MAFIA STATE’.



So well done Wikileaks and Julian Assange. Well done for fuelling the fires of respectable national chauvinism. Well done for giving the broadsheet commentariat the official, telegrammed voices with which to ventriloquise their self-affirming distaste for Johnny Foreigner. We might not be perfect in the UK – after all we still have Prince Andrew – but at least we’re not like them over there with their bad leaders and, in the case of Colonel Gadaffi, bad botox. That seems to be the result of Wikileaks’ latest data evacuation.

Of course, none of this was what Assange wanted, apparently. Remember, this is a man vehemently opposed to governments/baddies. What Assange wanted was to ‘humiliate the US’. He wanted to ‘reveal the contradictions between the US’s public persona and what it says behind closed doors’. This was his intention: to make transparent, to expose.

But to expose what, exactly? Exposing everything in general seems to have come at the expense of exposing something in particular. That’s why it is nothing like Lenin’s decision in 1917 to reveal the Allies’ secret treaties in which they effectively divided up the world. Lenin’s aim was specific – to reveal the imperial motives of state combatants. Assange’s aim is general – to reveal, er, everything.

But then the whole modus operandi of Wikileaks has nothing to do with revealing the truth in any intentional or methodological sense. Rather, it’s fundamentally (and simply) conspiratorial. Hence in a 2006 blog posting, Assange admitted that he has no interest in the politics of left and right. The political battle lines today, he said, are between the individual and institutions. And the problem as he sees it is that institutions tend to be inexorably corrupt – a product of ‘functionaries working in collaborative secrecy, to the detriment of the population.’ So, if the problem – the real political problem – is secrecy and the conspiracies it protects, it’s not surprising that he sees the solution as complete transparency. Nothing should be secret. Everything should be public.

Given that that’s the extremely limited objective, little wonder that what he wants – ‘the humiliation of the US’ – is so different to what he gets. You release everything in this way and the interpretation is entirely up for grabs. That’s why these cables have not let daylight in upon magic. They’ve not enlightened the darkest recesses of international diplomacy. They’ve merely reinforced the prejudices of interpreters cherry-picking gossipy tidbits. And it’s not just been those fans of Assange’s conspiratorial posing that have been pleased. Those with a national superiority complex have also found plenty of opportunity to vent their chauvinist spleen.

Tim Black is senior writer at spiked.

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when/before  the world goes vey wrong, we need this kind of sharp, smart, candid and penetrating morden  睿智的 independent "watchers"... to give us a fair,true truth about what happend and what is happening all around the world...so we can call them morden heroes and pioneers...

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原帖由 BitterMelon 于 2010-12-13 22:15 发表
从这种意义上来说. Wikileaks 在他泄漏秘密的时候起码只是没有偏见的.   

没有偏见,太难了

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中国政府应该出资赞助wikileak,还应该为阿善提供人道主义庇护。
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原帖由 y12345678 于 2010-12-14 13:29 发表
中国政府应该出资赞助wikileak,还应该为阿善提供人道主义庇护。

No,政府忙着经济转型呢,打打口头官司还行,不可能出面搞这个的
再说,美国还巴不得中国出头呢
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原帖由 click 于 2010-12-14 13:22 发表

没有偏见,太难了


我是说从某种意义上, 他不仅泄密第三世界, 也泄密英语世界, 这才显得公平一点儿.

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原帖由 y12345678 于 2010-12-14 13:29 发表
中国政府应该出资赞助wikileak,还应该为阿善提供人道主义庇护。


这反而可能会帮了倒忙, 英语世界的意识形态才是逢中必反的. 所以, 中国最好别这么作.
中国现在的表态很好, Does not care less, Chin cannot be bashed worse anyway.

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原帖由 click 于 2010-12-14 13:40 发表

No,政府忙着经济转型呢,打打口头官司还行,不可能出面搞这个的
再说,美国还巴不得中国出头呢
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中国一直是连口头官司都避免, 只要能做Business就行. 只有连Business都做不成的时候, 比如必拓案, 才会发点脾气.

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原帖由 ATO 于 2010-12-10 18:39 发表
西方的民主就是一个笑话,不得不再次鉴定完毕


是笑话,也是工具,为自己服务,解释权也归自己。

如果他公开的是GCD的文件,肯定和刘晓波并列拿和平奖了。

早上的新闻推测,现在他的处境是很可能被搞到美国去。 不过我倒是不觉得美国人会做得这么明。

澳洲政府,为胡士泰,为其他一些杀人犯,贩毒的,都可以跳出来指责对方政府,这次面对一个"强奸犯"倒一个屁也不放。让人想起了新疆7.5的时候,几百上千的汉族老百姓被杀,西方媒体包括澳洲媒体却当没发生一样,全力图文报道解放军进城镇压,还不惜篡改编辑照片。
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全世界几被美帝掌控着,搞不搞到美国都一样,阿善先生在劫难逃了。
只求上帝会保佑他吧。

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全世界几被美帝掌控着,搞不搞到美国都一样,阿善先生在劫难逃了。
只求上帝会保佑他吧。


正如我前文所说的, 即使他现在消失了也几乎伤害不到Wikileaks, 他照样外泄机密. 和网上骇客宣战, 是等于和Nobody宣战.

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我是说从某种意义上, 他不仅泄密第三世界, 也泄密英语世界, 这才显得公平一点儿.

是的,他能做到这样,已经很不错了

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现在有关阿善先生的新闻仿佛越来越少了, 从Google搜索的情况来看, 最近3-4年已经很少再出新消息了.
今年的时代人物也不是阿善先生, 而是脸谱网的小男生.
不知道是巧合还是媒体故意开始冷落他了.

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阿桑奇入围时代人物五强 被评"谁也阻止不了"(图) 文汇报

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http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2036683_2037118_2037146,00.html

阿桑奇入围时代人物五强 被评"谁也阻止不了" 文汇报

阿桑奇昨日在伦敦继续还柙,透过警车玻璃向追踪的记者做出胜利手势。据香港《文汇报》16日报道,维基解密创办人阿桑奇入围美国《时代》周刊年度人物最后5强。《时代》周刊称他领导的解密网站“以史无前例的规模,将秘密带到公众领域”,成为一股“革命性”的力量。

周刊指出,维基解密事件对多方面影响深远。一方面,它改变了美国政府部门的做法,使它们不得不扬弃“9.11”袭击后沿用的“分享文化”,即鼓励各部门互相分享数据。解密网站公开外交文件后,美国国务院中断数据库与国防部计算机网络的连接,便是一个明显例子。

维基解密事件又引来法律争议:它的做法究竟是新闻行为、盗窃还是间谍行为?有法律专家认为,这暴露了1917年美国间谍法案的粗疏。Visa、万事达卡等多间商业机构中断对维基解密的服务,又为普罗大众对上网权利的认知敲响警钟。周刊认为,无论身在伦敦囚室的阿桑奇最终命运如何,他已经制造了一台 “谁也不懂制止的机器”,他所代表的行为和文化谁也阻止不了。

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退役斑竹 2007 年度奖章获得者 2008年度奖章获得者 特殊贡献奖章 参与宝库编辑功臣

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不是因为他知道的太多,而是因为他让好多大人物下不了台。

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原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2010-12-17 16:46 发表
不是因为他知道的太多,而是因为他让好多大人物下不了台。



让别人下不来台都没关系, 让美国人下不来台就麻烦了.

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等着看美国如何应对这件事情

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“无论身在伦敦囚室的阿桑奇最终命运如何,他已经制造了一台 “谁也不懂制止的机器”,他所代表的行为和文化谁也阻止不了。”
天才,经典!!!

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原帖由 卷月亮 于 2010-12-17 21:00 发表
“无论身在伦敦囚室的阿桑奇最终命运如何,他已经制造了一台 “谁也不懂制止的机器”,他所代表的行为和文化谁也阻止不了。”
天才,经典!!! ...


这个翻译有点儿搞, 有兴趣的可以去看上面链接的原文.

现在可能的观点是:

网络战争不太可能发生在国家与国家之间, 反而更有可能发生在草根网民和超级大国之间.
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原帖由 BitterMelon 于 2010-12-17 22:17 发表


这个翻译有点儿搞, 有兴趣的可以去看上面链接的原文.

现在可能的观点是:

网络战争不太可能发生在国家与国家之间, 反而更有可能发生在草根网民和超级大国之间. ...

网络的意义在于无法掩盖信息,
网民和国家战争是不太可能胜利的

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原帖由 黑山老妖 于 2010-12-17 16:46 发表
不是因为他知道的太多,而是因为他让好多大人物下不了台。

这些大人物迟早都要下台.

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原帖由 click 于 2010-12-17 19:56 发表
等着看美国如何应对这件事情

不让人说话的企图不会得逞,更何况是对一个外国人.

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原帖由 BitterMelon 于 2010-12-17 19:51 发表



让别人下不来台都没关系, 让美国人下不来台就麻烦了.


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