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[NSW] 林家血案被告谢连斌否认他是林暋妻子日记里的Rob , 附:林家血案1-3审全集 #252 [复制链接]

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警察都查不到ROB是谁? 可能真的是女的有臆想症。
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Shish 发表于 2016-7-28 22:32
警察都查不到ROB是谁? 可能真的是女的有臆想症。

很可能是。但这跟整个案件可能无关

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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-7-28 22:33
很可能是。但这跟整个案件可能无关

是啊。猫眼贼亮的。

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现在的人有几个会写日记啊,新移民还用英文写日记?感觉只有小说电视里才有。会不会日记是假冒女主杜撰的?

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hwll 发表于 2016-7-28 23:15
现在的人有几个会写日记啊,新移民还用英文写日记?感觉只有小说电视里才有。会不会日记是假冒女主杜撰的? ...

以下是Louise Hall,NSW的法庭记者在3审后期,正好是法官 Elizabeth Fullerton 结束她的终审陈词之后发表的一篇连图片的录音报道,当时我把录音笔记下来了。

法官Fullerton的终审陈词,发表于控方和辩方的总结发言之后,就在陪审团考虑判决之前。法官的陈词作用在于纠正和澄清来自控方和辩方证词中可能模糊甚至误导的细节。譬如检察官Mark说的,污迹DNA与3个,4个,甚至5个林家人的DNA相配。而法官很可能指出,污迹DNA与3个受害者DNA相配,而不是别的数字。

所以我们可以看到,Louise Hall 的这篇报道里面的第一点,清楚地讲出了“ The Crown said it’s a mix of DNA from three of the victims” ”控方说(污迹)是受害者之中的3个的DNA。“ 当时录像里还有3个男受害者的图像。

污迹DNA只与3男受害者DNA 相配的意义关系重大,实际上已经说明这污迹与凶杀无关。 见#108, #110.



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Robert Xie trial : The key evidence
Louise Hall – Court Reporter    11/11/2015

The case against Robert Xie is circumstantial. There is no definite piece of evidence linking him to the crime scene. There are no eyewitnesses, and no survivors. Rather, the Crown says there are a series of facts, circumstances and evidence which, when you add them together, combine to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Robert Xie is the murderer.

Robert Xie maintains his innocence. In fact, the defence team are so confident that the circumstantial evidence isn’t enough to convict him that they chose not to present their own case.
Here are 5 key areas of evidence in the case.

DNA Evidence

Police found what appeared to be a smear of blood on Robert Xie’s garage floor. The Crown said it’s a mix of DNA from three of the victims. The defence, however, said forensic experts couldn’t prove the smear was blood at all.

Alibi

Robert Xie’s wife Kathy Lin said her husband had been at home in bed with her on the night of the murders, and had never left the house. This gives Mr Xie an alibi. The Crown has accused her of lying to protect her husband.

Motive

The Crown said Robert Xie had three motives for murder. Greed, pride and sex. A young woman claimed Xie groomed her prior to the murders, and once the Lin family was dead, he was able to sexually assault her. The defence argued the allegation were unsubstantiated, and should never have been submitted as evidence.

Video Evidence

Secret cameras allegedly caught footage of Mr Xie disposing of an Asics shoebox. This was after investigators questioned his wife about the type of running shoes he wore. The defence said that even if he was disposing of the shoebox, it was done out of fear that he was being set up.

Witness A

A career criminal referred to as Witness A befriended Xie in jail. He gave evidence that Xie admitted to sedating his wife on the night in question. He also said the pair devised plans to frame somebody else for the murders. The defence said that ‘Witness A’ was hoping his statement would lead to a reduction in his own sentence for drug supply.

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现在的人有几个会写日记啊,新移民还用英文写日记?感觉只有小说电视里才有。会不会日记是假冒女主杜撰的? ...

日记是用中文写的
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陪审团判决流产后 谢连斌谋杀疑案悬而未决



谢连斌昨天离开高级法院   Picture: Jonathan Ng


The Australian
12:00AM December 2, 2015
Ean Higgins Reporter




检察官提出3个可能动机:经济上的妒忌,感觉上的丢脸和对家里一女性性的兴趣。

但明显4个女人和8个男人组成的陪审团没有接受任何一个所提出的动机,足够驱使谢连斌去制造这个国家最血腥之一的多重谋杀。

昨天,经过超过2周的权衡考虑,陪审团告诉NSW高等法院法官Elizabeth Fullerton,尽管做出了最大的努力,它无法做出甚至大多数裁决,究竟谢有罪还是无罪谋杀他妻子家庭的五个成员。昨天陪审团被解散了,明年将有一个新的陪审团来努力就谢是有罪还是无辜做出裁决。这将是个新的审判,控辩双方都有权选择任何证据上庭;上次审判陪审团裁决基于庭上见到听到的证据。

这已经是第三次对谢无法达成判决的审判。

第一次因有新证据而停止,第二次则因为法官突然病了而解散。昨天检察官说,他们要坚持下去,明年重审。

由陪审团审讯的案子,谢案这个审讯是最长的一个了。陪审员们花费了超过半年的人生,听了140天的证据,跟着是好几周的双方总结和 Fullerton’s的结案陈词。

就在指示他们退堂去考虑他们的决定之前,Fullerton11月12日告诉陪审团,没有别的捷径。

“像这样复杂的案子没有简单的办法,” 她说。

要认定谢有罪,陪审团必须被说服,这些基于激烈的争辩和每个都没有结论的片段的证据,已经超过了一般理性的怀疑。

送他们退场去考虑他们的判决时,Fullerton(女法官)告诉陪审员们 “从非常众多的方面看,这是个建立在疑点而没有证据的案件”。

考虑谢有罪,陪审团将不得不给相当量的信任,予以叫证人A 的一个生涯罪犯出示的证据。证人A告诉法庭,他说的与谢在监狱里的对话,是受警察奖励而配合行动的一部分。

检察官宣称证人A的证词间接地说明谢造成了这宗罪。

证人A自己主动承认 “我心里最先考虑的是个人受益”,当他决定与警察合作告密谢,结果是他会得到钱和有利的对待。

每一天陪审员们坐着面对谢,自中国移民来澳的瘦小的前医生。谢穿戴保守的西装和领带,经常由妻子或其他家人陪伴。

他镇定自如,专心聆听,不时记录,或传字条给辩护律师。要认定谢有罪,陪审员们必须使自己相信,就是这样一个男人,制造了如此的罪行,涉及了异常的狡猾,周密不漏的计划,和精心计算坚韧不拔的残酷。

在美国,法庭认为第一次改良后的法律允许言论自由,意味着判决后陪审员可以告诉记者达成结论的来由,而记者也能就此发表报道。

但在澳洲,正相反,严厉的法律不允许陪审员被辨认,陪审团房间里的故事也不能被报道。

是什么最终导致陪审团对谢的审判流产,无疑是澳洲人众认真想知道的,但这不可能被披露。

但是,回头看陪审员们所听到的证词,可以给出一些迹象,究竟做决定的关键点是否成立。


检察官说2009年7月一个寒冷的夜里,谢离开和他妻子Kathy共眠的床铺。检察官说他可能催眠了她,这样她记不起他离开,醒来也见到他像往常那样在她身边打哈欠和伸懒腰。

从那里,检察官的剧幕展开了,谢切断电源后,用一把他可以得到的钥匙悄悄进入了他妻舅,书报店店主林暋和家人在悉尼西北区的家。

然后,检察官告诉陪审团,51岁瘦小的谢,以他纤细的手提着个锤子,爬到了林家5成员身边。

在中国谢是个耳鼻喉科专家医生,法庭听到了,证人A指证说,谢告诉他,谢懂得如何压迫脖子上的颈主动脉而使人失去知觉。
用这个锤子和颈主动脉技术,检察官说,谢杀害了林暋,林的妻子莉莉,莉莉的妹妹艾琳,和林暋与莉莉的2 儿子12岁的Henry和9岁的Terry。

尸体解剖发现5死者都被锤砸了,4个还被窒息而死。

Terry,法庭听说还激烈反抗了一阵,而艾琳右手有抵抗性伤痕。

杀完5人后,检察官说,谢回家清干净一切,但不完全。

那是一滴发现在谢家车库的血迹,检察官说,那为这罪行提供了法医学证据,因为里面的DNA“很大可能” 与一些林家成员的DNA相配。

还有,检察官说,林家现场的血鞋印与谢喜欢的Asics 牌子便鞋相称。检察官说这一切都合到一起了。但在很多方面,陪审团并没有被给予一个完全相连的谋杀图像,他们只是被要求自己把点连起来。

没有谋杀凶器,没有证人,也没有特别的坦白。辩方说,那有点红的什么东西太小了,连稍微肯定其是否血都不可能。

谢的律师还抗辩那鞋印证据:里面有大小不同的5个号码。

事实是,辩方和控方针锋现对,每个问题都毫不相让。

Graham Turnbull SC带领的辩方指出,认为单个人在黑暗中能够取得如此的巨恶,力压抵抗而杀死全家5口,是荒谬的。

“从凶场的证据我们能得到的--而且你可能认为合理--确立凶手不止一个人,也不可能是在黑暗中完成的,” Turnbull告诉法庭。

这个案子一个突出的特点是控方能够在非确切而且受反证的证据基础上,勾画出谋杀全图,并由那里,再得出动机。

控方描绘了一个话剧,一个移民家庭2方变得财富相差这么大,妒忌和嫉恨毒害了他们的关系。

谢连斌和林姝于2002年由中国移民到澳,一开始在墨尔本开一间中餐馆,2005年他们搬到悉尼,就不再有正式工作。

林姝的哥哥林暋,被描述为刻苦工作,典型的自成小生意人。他在妻子帮助下操理恩平中心书报店。谢的经济和就业困境相比较于林家的,在谢一方产生了2个意念“强烈的妒忌和嫉恨”,根据主检察官法庭大律师Mark Tedeschi QC的说法。

有了妒忌就有了行动: 如果杀了林暋,谢就可能夺过书报店生意,这是经济收获。“被告通过他妻子配合,夺过了生意管理权,” Tedeschi 告诉法庭。

第二个被指控的动机是丢脸。因为谢相信岳父母林杨飞和朱凤清偏爱刻苦工作的儿子暋和儿媳莉莉,而对他自己和林姝不屑。又一次,控方依赖多次入狱的证人A的证据,A说谢曾经表达对林家的愤懑“ 从一开始全家都不喜欢我,” 谢被指控有一次告诉证人。

“他们说‘ 你找不到更有钱更漂亮的。’ 他们总是找机会撕我的脸。这在中国传统里非常重要。比钱还重要。“

最后,动机里还含有一点性兴趣,控方说,谢被一女性家庭成员吸引了。

法庭保护令禁止澳洲人报和其他媒介报道陪审团在庭上听到的有关这件事的任何细节,但控方宣称陪审团听到了整个故事。

被指控的这些动机,也与其他细节相配, Tedeschi说:受害者被害是用了“远大于所需要的力量”,这与“强烈的妒忌和嫉恨”造成的罪行一致。

Turnbull一直系统地辩驳Tedischi的动机学说。他勾画了这样一幅图像:谢,林两家之间“相爱和相敬的关系,”,和相当的2方的结合,住得这么近,使得2方的孩子可以一起玩。经济动机更是荒谬,Turnbull说,谢有足够储蓄,能宽松地并一直从股票市场获利,还一次说过操理一个书报店太费力了。

谢案的一个特别有趣的方面是陪审团会如何看待证人A。在法庭的最后一天,送走陪审团前Fullerton指导陪审团“对待证人A的证据要谨慎小心”。

证人A是个难题。他被监禁了超过18年,因为持枪抢劫,偷窃,提供毒品,攻击警察和其他罪。

证人A在监狱里特意与谢交朋友,作为便衣警察行动的一部分,作为回报他得到4900澳元,被转移到另一个监狱,还可能提早出狱。

证人A称,2011年在狱中,得到谢的信任后,谢向他承认了这一系列的事。

这包括催眠他的妻子,描述颈主动脉与失去知觉手段,和他已经在案发第二天早上处置了凶器。从证据学角度考虑,Fullerton告诉陪审团,有些这些所谓的对话是由警察秘密录得再在庭上播放,但其他的则不是。

这使得其他部分的对话事实上单纯是证人A自己说的发生的证词。

有个问题证人A在悉尼iLong Bay监狱 没有问过谢的,而这问题很明显不应该不问的是:他杀了林家吗?

Tedeschi 的解释是,证人A够聪明而没有那样问。

“被告将会闻到疑点而想 ‘哇,你到底想干什么?‘ “Tedeschi 说。这又是一个证据听起来还可以但没有结论的例子。


谢和证人A,控方说,讨论了计划B,精心计划将另一个人的DNA--可能是刚好死掉的一个人蛇---涂到使用在谋杀的锤头上去,栽赃于他人。

Fullerton对陪审团强调,对于A证人证言整体而言,"法庭接受,没有直接承认他是谋杀犯“。

关于计划B的一个特别的说法,证人A说,谢告诉他这DNA必须来自一个叫Rob的亚洲人,这会使得看起来这谋杀是Rob为了掩盖他和莉莉偷情而作。

但Turnbull说这故事听起来过于绝妙了。警察一直无法为他们的主疑犯找出证据,Turnbull告诉法庭,而依赖一个骗子证人A来建立这个案子。

这是一个由证人A开始,再往前铺开的案子,” Turnbull说。

运用他的法内权利,谢没有做任何证词。

林家有一个还活着的人,能提供关键的第一手证据 :林姝,但检察官尽他的权力在她出庭时诋毁她的可信性。

林姝说她丈夫在凶杀那天晚上根本一直就没有离开他们的睡房---这证据,如果是真的,给了谢一个岩石般坚硬的不在场证明。

Tedeschi 问林姝关于5年前与警察的一次对话,当时她也被闻到这关键的问题,谢是否那天晚上离开了睡房。

请教了律师后,林姝告诉那警官:“ 我不回答这个问题。”

最后,陪审团还不得不考虑,作为妻子,若真的知道丈夫谋杀了自己的哥哥,2个侄子和嫂子和嫂妹,是否还会坚定的站在他一边。

她所给的证据是绝对的对谢的支持,在所有机会和任何关键问题,当涉及他是否对他的妻子不敬,嫉恨她的家人,是否会谋杀他们。

“我从我心里知道我丈夫爱我和我的大家庭,” 她在7月份在庭上说。

而昨天,陪审团被解散后在法庭外面,林姝对发生的事毫不惊奇并坚定地说:“我丈夫是无辜的,我们将永远永远不会放弃。”


原文见下页 #128

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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-8-2 00:32
陪审团判决流产后 谢连斌谋杀疑案悬而未决


Robert Xie murder mystery goes on after hung jury trial


The Australian
12:00AM December 2, 2015
Ean Higgins  Reporter


The prosecution proposed three possible motives: financial jealousy, a perceived loss of face and a sexual interest in a female con­nected with the family.

But it appears not enough of the four women and eight men on the jury accepted any one alleged motive was credible and strong enough to compel Lian Bin “Robert” Xie to commit one of this country’s most heinous multiple murders.

Yesterday, after more than two weeks of deliberation, the jury told NSW Supreme Court judge Elizabeth Fullerton that despite its best efforts, it could not reach even a majority verdict on whether Xie was guilty or innocent of wiping out five members of his wife’s family. Next year a new jury will endeavour to decide whether Xie is innocent or guilty of the crime, after the last jury was discharged yesterday. That will be a new trial, with the prosecution and defence entitled to run it with whatever evidence they choose; the last jury acted on the evidence it heard, reviewed here.

It was the third time a trial of Xie had failed to reach a conclusion.

The first trial was aborted when undisclosed new evidence emerged, and the second had to be called off when the judge became suddenly ill. Yesterday the prosecution said it would persevere, mounting a retrial in the new year.

As jury trials go, the latest Xie trial was onerous in the extreme. Jurors gave up the better part of a year of their lives, hearing 140 days of evidence, followed by weeks of closing arguments and Fullerton’s summing up.

There had been no way around it, Fullerton told the jury on November 12, shortly before instructing them to retire to consider their verdict.

“There is just no simple way of putting a case of such complexity,” she said.

To find Xie guilty, the jury would have have needed to be convinced beyond reasonable doubt based on fiercely contested and individually inconclusive pieces of evidence.

As she sent them out to consider their verdict, Fullerton told jurors that “in very many respects, this is a circumstantial evidence case”.

To convict, the jury would have had to have placed a fair bit of credence on the evidence of a hardened criminal called Witness A, who told the court of conversations he said he had with Xie in prison as part of a police sting operation.

The prosecution claimed the testimony indirectly indicated Xie had committed the crime.

Witness A had himself freely admitted that “at the forefront of my mind was personal gain” when deciding to inform on Xie — he’d done a deal with the police that would give him money and favourable treatment.

Each day, the jurors sat facing Xie, a slender former doctor who had migrated from China. Xie wore conservative suits and ties and was often accompanied by his wife or other family member.

He was composed, listening intently and occasionally making notes, sometimes slipping mes­sages to his lawyers. To convict, the jury would have had to believe this was the man who had committed a crime involving extraordinary cunning, meticulous planning, and calculated and determined brutality.

In the US, courts have usually held that the first amendment guaranteeing free speech means jurors are allowed after the conclusion of a case to speak to journalists about why the jury reached the outcome it did, and media outlets can report on it. It makes for gripping television as jurors hold news conferences, giving blow-by-blow accounts of the jury-room debate.

In Australia, by contrast, strict laws prevent jurors from being identified or their jury-room stories published.

Just what ultimately led to the hung jury in the Xie case is something the Australian general public would no doubt dearly like to know, but is unlikely to ever find out.

A look back at the evidence the jurors heard, however, can give some clues as to where the key decision points must have lain.

The prosecution case had it that one cold night in July 2009, Xie left the bed he shared with his wife, Kathy. He might have sedated her, the prosecution claimed, so she would not remember him departing, and would wake up with him yawning and stretching beside her like any other morning.

From there, the prosecution scenario went, using a key to which he had access, Xie snuck into the house in Sydney’s northwest where his brother-in-law, newsagent Min Lin, lived with his family, after turning off the power.

Then, prosecutors told the jury, the slight Xie, 51, had crept up on each of the five members of the Lin family with a hammer — and his slender hands.

In China Xie was an ear, nose and throat specialist and, the court heard, had allegedly told Witness A he knew just how to press on the carotid artery in the neck to render a person unconscious. Between the hammer and the carotid artery technique, the prosecution case went, Xie had done for Min Lin, Lin’s wife Yun “Lily” Lin, Lily’s sister Yun Bin “Irene” Lin, and Min and Lily’s two sons, Henry, 12, and Terry, 9.

Autopsies found all five had been bludgeoned, and four also had been asphyxiated.

Terry, the court heard, had put up a “furious struggle”, while Irene’s right hand had defensive wounds.

Having murdered the five Lins, the prosecution claimed, Xie went home, cleaning everything up — almost, but not quite.

It was a drop of blood found in Xie’s garage, the Crown claimed, that provided the forensic proof of the crime because DNA in it “most likely” matched that of some Lin family members.

There were also, the Crown claimed, bloodied shoe prints in the Lin home consistent with Xie’s favourite sneakers, Asics. The prosecution said it all fitted together. But in many respects, the jury was not presented with a fully formed figure of a murder but asked to join dots.

There was no murder weapon found, no witness, and no specific confession. The defence said the reddish drop of something was so tiny it was impossible to even say for sure it was blood.

Xie’s lawyers also contested the footprint evidence: they said it covered five different shoe sizes.

In fact, there wasn’t much the defence and prosecution agreed on at all.

The defence case, led by Graham Turnbull SC, put forward that the idea that a single person could have achieved such a gruesome feat of overpowering and killing an entire family, in the dark, against resistance, was absurd.

“Facts from the crime scene we contend — and you might think with good reason — establish that it was not one person and it could not have been in the dark,” Turnbull told the court.

Against the circumstantial and contested nature of the evidence, a key aspect of the case related to the prosecution’s ability to outline an overall plot, and from there, a motive.

The Crown presented a personal drama of how the fortunes of two sides of a migrant family had diverged so far that jealousy and hatred had poisoned their relationship.

Robert and Kathy Xie came to Australia from China in 2002, and initially ran a restaurant in Melbourne until 2005 when they moved to Sydney, where they were unemployed.

Min Lin, Kathy’s brother, was described in court as a hard worker, a classic self-made small entrepreneur who operated the Epping Central Newsagency, sometimes with the help of Lily. The contrast between the Xies’ financial and employment fate, and that of the Lins, produced two elements of “intense bitterness and hatred” on Xie’s part, according to the chief prosecution barrister, Mark Tedeschi QC.

One was jealousy and the other the corollary: a prospect of financial gain if, by killing Min Lin, Xie could take over the news agency. “The accused through his wife made a concerted effort to wrestle control of the assets,” Tedeschi told the court.

A second alleged motive was Xie’s loss of face because of his belief that his parents-in-law, family patriarch Yang Fei Lin and his wife Feng Qing Zhu, preferred their hardworking son Min and his wife Lily to himself and their daughter, Kathy. Again, the prosecution relied on the evidence of serial jailbird Witness A, who claimed Xie had expressed his resentment towards the Lin family. “All the family never like me from beginning,” Xie allegedly told Witness A on one occasion.

“They say ‘you can find someone with more money, more pretty’. They always try to take my face. That is very important in Chinese culture. More important than money.”

There was, finally, a bit of sex in the mix when it came to motive, the prosecution claimed, with Xie attracted to a female with links to the family.

Court suppression orders prevent The Australian and other media outlets from reporting everything the jury heard in court on this part of the case, but what the Crown claimed was the full story was heard by the jury.

With motive, it all fitted together, Tedeschi said: the victims had been killed with “vastly more force than was necessary”, consistent with a crime of “intense bitterness and hatred”.

Turnbull systematically tried to undermine Tedischi’s theory of motive. He painted a picture of a “loving and respectful relationship” between the Xie and Lin families and a “union of two equals” who lived near each other so their children could play with each other. Financial motives were absurd, Turnbull said; Xie had savings and was comfortably and profitably entertained playing the sharemarket, and had once said running a news agency was too much work.

A particularly interesting aspect of the Xie case relates to how the jury must have dealt with the evidence of Witness A. On the last day in court before retiring the jury, Fullerton directed it to “approach Witness A’s evidence with caution”.

Witness A was a tough nut. He’d spent more than 18 years of his life behind bars for armed robbery, larceny, drug supply, assaulting police and other crimes.

Witness A had befriended Xie in prison as part of a complex undercover police operation, in exchange for $4900, relocation to another jail and some prospect of getting out early.

Witness A claimed that in prison in 2011, having won his trust, Xie made a series of admissions.

These included sedating his wife, outlining the carotid artery unconsciousness trick, and that he had disposed of the murder weapon the morning after the murders. The issue from an evidentiary point of view, Fullerton had advised the jury, was that some of these alleged conversations were covertly recorded by police and played to the court, but others were not.

This rendered the latter cate­gory of conversations solely versions of what Witness A claimed them to have been.

The one question Witness A did not ask Xie in Sydney’s Long Bay Jail was at one level the obvious one: had he murdered the Lins?

Tedeschi’s explanation was that Witness A had been too smart to go down that track.

“The accused would have smelt a rat and thought ‘Whoa, what’s going on here?’ ” Tedeschi said. It was another occasion where the evidence was tempting, but inconclusive.

Fullerton stressed to the jury that in the whole of the Witness A testimony, “the Crown accepts there were no direct admissions that he was the murderer”.

Xie and Witness A had, the prosecution claimed, discussed “plan B”, an elaborate plot to plant someone else’s DNA — possibly that of a people-smuggler who had conveniently died — on the hammer allegedly used in the murders to frame someone else for the crime.

In one particularly spectacular version of plan B, Witness A claimed, Xie had told him the DNA would have to come from an Asian man called “Rob”, to frame him as having tried to cover up what would be claimed to be an affair “Rob” had with Lily.

But Turnbull had said it was all just too cute. Police had been unable to find strong incriminating evidence against their chief suspect, Turnbull told the court, and had instead built their case around a liar, Witness A.

“This is a case which starts with Witness A and works backwards,” Turnbull said.

Exercising his legal rights, Xie did not take the stand.

There was one person of the Lin family still alive after the murders who had been in a position to provide crucial first-hand evidence: Kathy, and the prosecution did its best to destroy her credibility when she took the stand.

Kathy said her husband had never left the bedroom on the night of the murders — which, if true, gave Xie a rock-solid alibi.

Tedeschi asked Kathy about an interview she had with police five years earlier, in which she was asked that same key question of whether Xie had left the bedroom that night.

After talking to her solicitor during that interview, she told officers: “I don’t answer this question.”

In the end, the jury would have had to consider whether a wife whose husband had allegedly murdered her brother, nephews and two in-laws could have stood by him if she knew he was guilty.

The evidence she gave was in absolute support of Xie, when it came to both opportunity and the critical question of whether he had enough disregard for his wife, and enough hatred of her family, to murder them.

“I know in my heart my husband love me and my extended family,” she told the court in July.

And yesterday, outside court after the jury was discharged, Kathy left no doubt how she sees it, saying: “My husband is innocent and we will never, ever give up.”


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个人觉得家家都有矛盾, 但我觉得要谢把全家杀光, 这要有多大多大的狠啊, 如果有这种仇恨在, 平时不可能没有一点冲突, 应该有极大的冲突, 而且是长期的吵架,然后周围的朋友和邻居应该有所耳闻.

不可能最后突然一次杀人而之前没有任何暴力冲突.

我个人觉得这个血案应该有犯罪集团在背后, 或许是聘用(海外)职业杀手,所以根本查不出任何线索.

或许应当检查一下事发那几天国际航班旅客名单
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Ean Higgins 的这篇文章,除了表达了他自己对这案件的怀疑,也让我们知道了法官Elizabeth Fullerton 对这案件的态度。

估计Higgins 自己到庭的次数也不多,他不知道控方最后在动机学上已经改口,最后总结时几次清楚地不再提第一个动机:谋财害命。因为后来警方自己找到的信息,显示谢相当有钱,明显比林暋富有很多。其实控方很糊涂,没意识到既然第一个动机站不住脚,第二个“因丢脸而嫉恨”的说法也跟着崩溃了。因为两者是一回事。

Higgins也没留意到,证人A已经当庭对陪审团说了,关于计划B的全部细节,是证人A向谢讲的。这一下戳穿了控方此前的谣言,检察官Mark多次,并由媒介重复报道,说谢想出这个转移DNA的计划。很明显,证人A无法想出这么一个计划,他也根本不知道rob 这样一个人,应该是一直跟他有联系的警官教给他这个计划。这个明显证明控方制造假证据的报道足迹的红版也翻译了。
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Ean Higgins 的这篇文章,除了表达了他自己对这案件的怀疑,也让我们知道了法官Elizabeth Fullerton 对这案 ...

我强烈怀疑法官Elizabeth Fullerton一直在跟踪新足迹的讨论,尤其是猫儿不笨的分析!
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检察官的三点杀人动机不足以说明谢杀林全家。另外,你说谢比林有钱,为什么?如果是谢国内有钱,是不是洗钱惹来麻烦?!

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February 28 2012

呼吁调查Tedeschi主办的所有案件,继Wood案件批评之后

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受到批评的 Mark Tedeschi. Photo: Dallas Kilponen

在被批评对Gordon Wood案件处理不当之后,律师们要求重新审查高年资检察官Mark Tedeschi涉及的所有成功案子。

一位刑事律师说,周五刑事上诉法庭判决Wood先生无罪之后,律师们都在讨论这个决定,觉得这是“刑事法律的一个好日子”。



寻求补偿的 Gordon Wood. Photo: Simon Alekna  

“所有旧案件【涉及Tedeschi先生的】应该都被从新考虑。。。他应该被看着点,” 他说。

另一人同意,举出另一个针对Phuong Ngo的案子,谋杀议员John Newman的主谋。但另一个律师说建议审查所有案子是可笑的,说任何审查都应该有个合适的基础。

Tedeschi先生定罪的好多案件都被上诉并改判,包括Ngo 案件和 Bruce Burrell案件.

高年资公共辩护律师Mark Ierace, SC 说在Wood案里对Tedeschi先生的批评是“高度不寻常”的。

“由来已久了,辩护律师们一直关切这些案件的定罪,一般来说,经常是靠猜测为主,” 他说,“在证据里,证据推导出来的假想和没有基础的猜测性的指证之间的一道线常常被跨越。“

他说法庭这次的判决对辩护律师未来非常有帮助。

另一个律师说,“足够勇敢“的检察官对个人犯罪指控定罪的努力,与那些抛出”空想奇异“的指控的,之间只有微小的差别。

Tedeschi 先生还涉及了对如下案子的定罪 : Ivan Milat, Sef Gonzales, Kathleen Folbigg, Keli Lane, Shirley Justins 和 Caren Jenning 还有 Jeffrey Gilham的第一审讯.

在之前纪律批评调查会代表 Tedeschi 先生的上庭律师 Chester Porter, QC, 说”他是个非常有才能的检察官也因此他才是法庭的主检察官。。。主检察官处理最困难的案件,我估计也因为这样他更容易受人批评。“

Tim Anderson,被错误地定罪涉及希尔顿爆炸案,说” 他已经被批评过好多次了,但一点都没用。“

定罪法规,在Anderson医生案子上诉后被重审了,应该再重审,他说。

Wood先生的团队据报道正在考虑向NSW Bar Association和法律服务专员投诉,控告Tedeschi先生的行为。

公共制裁主任办公室昨晚拒绝对此做出评论。


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我觉得林家血案/谢案/Tedeschi案件之后,公众对NSW的公共法政系统的能力和公正性的信心会降到一个低点。
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我觉得林家血案/谢案/Tedeschi案件之后,公众对NSW的公共法政系统的能力和公正性的信心会降到一个低点。 ...

我觉得是警探方错过了黄金办案时间后只好死马当作活马医,创造种种环境,包括心理战,寄希望于谢真是凶手并能通过谢本人或他她人(妻子,证人A等)暴露出证据来。我认为警探方并没有捏造证据。至于控方往死里说谢是真凶是角色规定如此,所以才要有律师辩护。从报道的只言片语看法官Fullerton的指导是公允的。
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我觉得是警探方错过了黄金办案时间后只好死马当作活马医,创造种种环境,包括心理战,寄希望于谢真是凶手 ...


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/robert ... 20140512-zraaf.html

上面那个报道,是2014年5月检察官Mark说谢想出了计划B,转移另一个人的DNA到一个锤头上去。。。

下面那几个报道,是2015年7月,证人A在法庭上说,这个计划B的细节是证人A自己告诉谢的(而不是谢想出来的)。

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au ... 3cb5663ef4166a8d5ab

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au ... e06750ac02764520fa7


我觉得这里明显有矛盾,清楚地表明控方在制造针对谢的假证据,没想到智商不高的证人A一不小心当庭让辩护律师给引出真话来。陪审团估计没有觉察到这些,信息太多了,又老重复。辩护律师团是否有抓住这一点做文章不得而知。
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Mark说的离谱,我估计是非常误导人的说法,而不是真正谬误的说法, 职业老油条了嘛。但其效果只在证人A出庭作证之前有。证人A做了什么说了什么录音到了什么等等,陪审团是要听证人A的证词录音等,而不是Mark说的。至于Mark为什么非常离谱地误导人,一是检控官的角色规定,二是,我猜想,是要威慑在证人A出庭之前出庭作证的证人,心理战的一部分。
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Mark说的离谱,我估计是非常误导人的说法,而不是真正谬误的说法, 职业老油条了嘛。但其效果只在证人A出 ...

计划B 是由谢想出来的, 还是警察想出来的再让证人A告诉谢的,有天大的不同,对于谢案意义很大。

检察官Mark对谢案的所有证点应该是十分熟悉的,不应该会搞错。

搞错的应该是证人A,让辩护律师绕几圈,质问他的可靠性,再一逼问就把原来说好的忘了,讲出了真相。
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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-8-3 00:35
计划B 是由谢想出来的, 还是警察想出来的再让证人A告诉谢的,有天大的不同,对于谢案意义很大。

检察官 ...


我同意“检察官Mark对谢案的所有证点应该是十分熟悉的,不应该会搞错。”
但,我认为,Mark是故意要非常离谱地误导一些人。是误导,而不是违背事实的造谣。
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SoftSome 发表于 2016-8-3 00:42
我同意“检察官Mark对谢案的所有证点应该是十分熟悉的,不应该会搞错。”
但,我认为,Mark是故意要非常 ...

Mark不一定自己会故意编造这个故事,但主办警官可能会,后者办完这事让证人A练习在庭上怎么说,然后就告诉Mark,谢想出了计划B。不然Mark不会在2014年5月那样讲。
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发表于 2016-8-3 01:56 |显示全部楼层
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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-8-3 00:51
Mark不一定自己会故意编造这个故事,但主办警官可能会,后者办完这事让证人A练习在庭上怎么说,然后就告 ...


Mark应该在讲故事之前多次听了证人A的录音,也跟证人A谈过多次,对所有证据应该是一清二楚的。我们现在知道录音里就是证人A在说,谢偶尔嗯啊一下。Mark早知道如此,不会听信警方讲的故事。
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SoftSome 发表于 2016-8-3 00:56
Mark应该在讲故事之前多次听了证人A的录音,也跟证人A谈过多次,对所有证据应该是一清二楚的。我们现在知 ...

我现在就想知道,Mark为什么会在2014年5月那样说,谢想出计划B,而2015年7月,证人A却说警方要证人A把计划B细节告诉谢,看他反应,再录下录音。。。

我觉得你的解释不够强。
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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-8-3 00:51
Mark不一定自己会故意编造这个故事,但主办警官可能会,后者办完这事让证人A练习在庭上怎么说,然后就告 ...

我前面说“Mark是故意要非常离谱地误导一些人。是误导,而不是违背事实的造谣。”。这里“造谣”指针对谢的证据。看2014的那篇英文报道,Mark说证人A会这样这样说,这个可以是谎言,后来证人A说的不一样,Mark可以为自己辩护说,证人A跟我说的和在庭上说的不一样。
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猫儿不笨 发表于 2016-8-3 01:01
我现在就想知道,Mark为什么会在2014年5月那样说,谢想出计划B,而2015年7月,证人A却说警方要证人A把计 ...


故意非常离谱地误导,目的是威慑在证人A出庭之前出庭的证人,心理战
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这个谢的内心好强大啊!

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SoftSome 发表于 2016-8-3 01:06
故意非常离谱地误导,目的是威慑在证人A出庭之前出庭的证人,心理战

我觉得你会这样认为,是因为对Mark的一贯作风习以为然了。Mark极富想象力,夸张,联想,引伸,创造。除了是NSW头号检察官,他还是出名的摄影家,还是作家。

发表于 2016-8-3 11:35 |显示全部楼层
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有艺术气质的多有创造性和想象力,但这种气质不适合需要严谨,逻辑,实事求是的行业,像办案定罪。

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