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[澳洲资讯] 澳洲将采购“世界上最先进的潜艇”,具体将获得什么? [复制链接]

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SMH:澳洲将采购“世界上最先进的潜艇”,具体将获得什么?  

对于一名在Fremantle Harbour港悠闲航行的水手来说,他可能会误以为那艘半潜的核潜艇只是一个导航标志,而没有意识到自己距离美国军方最珍贵的资产之一只有几百米之遥。  

隐身能力正是潜艇的最大优势。  

美国海军“明尼苏达号”(USS Minnesota)指挥官科尼尔(Jeffrey Cornielle)说道:“我们希望在世界的任何地方都保持隐秘、无人知晓”。

这艘潜艇是美国海军24艘弗吉尼亚级(Virginia-class)快速攻击潜艇之一,他强调:“这是我们的第一要务。”  

在珀斯,一个清晨的秋日阳光明媚,该媒体机构与少数几家媒体一起受邀登上这艘罕见访澳的弗吉尼亚级潜艇进行参观。

每艘弗吉尼亚级潜艇造价约80亿美元,搭载140名船员。

科尼尔直言,这一舰级是世界上最先进,最强大的军舰。  

的确,航空母舰看上去很壮观,但它们漂浮在水面,易受攻击。而像这样的“猎杀者”级潜艇被誉为21世纪海军战争的“顶级掠食者”。它们在海洋深处游弋,迫使潜在敌人对其作战计划产生疑虑。  

科尼尔在军官会议室简报时说道:“如果有人醒来想问‘今天要动手吗?’我们就确保他们会回答‘也许不行’。”

空间极为有限,以至于我们挤在一起。在紧急情况下,我们所坐的餐桌还能用来治疗病患或受伤船员。  

明尼苏达号过去三周一直在澳洲西海岸进行训练演习,其抵达正值中国海军舰队环绕澳洲大陆巡航之际,这种时机凸显了澳洲所处地区日益紧张的局势。  

军事专家指出,该中国舰队很可能伴随了一艘核动力潜艇,而这艘潜艇将在整个任务过程中始终保持水下航行。科尼尔拒绝就中国的海军能力置评,尽管这正是美国国防政策的关键考量因素。  

明尼苏达号此行正值AUKUS潜艇协议的未来再度引发争议之际。预计到2040年代,澳洲自有核潜艇将投入使用,该协议成本或高达3680亿澳元。而美国总统特朗普对加拿大等盟友的态度,以及拒绝澳洲要求豁免钢铝关税的决定,让许多人质疑美国是否仍然是可靠的伙伴。  

上周,澳洲前国防军总司令巴里(Chris Barrie)上将呼吁政府紧急制定“B计划”,以防协议破裂。  

然而,在西澳海岸,AUKUS的“A计划”正按部就班推进。随着2027年的临近,类似的访问将逐步增加,届时最多四艘美国核潜艇将常驻珀斯,组成“西部轮驻潜艇部队”(Submarine Rotational Force-West)。

从2030年代初起,澳洲将开始接收三艘弗吉尼亚级核潜艇,并逐步淘汰老化的柯林斯级(Collins-class)柴电潜艇。  

陪同访问的美军上尉施泰因哈根(Neil Steinhagen)坦言,他最初并不支持AUKUS。  

这位服役32年的美国海军军官解释说“澳洲会抢走我的资源、零件和人员。”

他一开始对潜艇协议的担忧。

美国军方的潜艇产量已无法满足自身需求,却仍决定向澳洲出售最先进的装备。  

施泰因哈根指挥着驻扎关岛的五艘核潜艇舰队。明尼苏达号于去年11月加入他的舰队,这是首次有弗吉尼亚级潜艇前沿部署至关岛。关岛是美国在西太平洋的一个小型领土,距离北京比夏威夷更近,其军事基地使美国能向南海和台湾海峡等争议地区投射力量。  

他说“在冲突时期,这里将成为补给、维修和重新武装的前沿基地。”  

虽然他最初担忧AUKUS会削弱关岛的资源,但如今他认为该协议有助于印太地区的稳定。与此同时,科尼尔表示,他的船员对与澳洲海军的合作充满期待:“这将为整个舰队注入活力。”  

那么澳洲将在AUKUS协议下获得什么?施泰因哈根说道:“世界上最先进的潜艇。”  

弗吉尼亚级潜艇的航速几乎是澳洲柯林斯级潜艇的两倍。由于采用核动力推进,它们可以无限期地在水下航行,唯一的限制是食物补给。两名船员透露,他们曾在水下连续待了102天,未曾见过阳光。  

在潜艇的控制室,我们看到两排雷达和声呐操作员,紧盯屏幕并通过耳机监听声音。科尼尔解释说,弗吉尼亚级的技术复杂程度堪比国际空间站。它是世界上第一种采用光电传感器(而非传统潜望镜)的潜艇,并使用改装的Xbox手柄操控,让船员能够查看水面上的情况。  

明尼苏达号的船员对其所代表的美国中西部州充满认同感。在潜艇内部,我们看到不少明尼苏达州的标志性物品,如明尼苏达维京人橄榄球头盔,餐厅墙上还绘有维京人艺术图案,体现该州的斯堪的纳维亚文化,船员们也被鼓励从维京人的战斗精神中汲取力量。  

在潜艇的“英灵殿咖啡厅”(Valhalla Café),即船员餐厅,厨师们每周日准备海陆大餐,每周二供应塔可,每周六则搭配电影之夜提供披萨。

在鱼雷舱,我们看到成排堆叠的鱼雷,并在手电筒的帮助下观察其中一个鱼雷发射管。  

离开潜艇时,我们经过一封美国海军高层签署的感谢信,信中表彰该艇执行了一项“对美国国家安全至关重要”的秘密任务。

尽管这次访问让我们近距离体验了潜艇兵的世界,但他们的作战任务仍然笼罩在神秘之中。  

返回珀斯的途中,明尼苏达号和其船员迅速消失在海面上。  

施泰因哈根强调,澳洲不仅仅是在AUKUS协议下获得一项先进军事装备,而是在获取一种“变革性的作战能力”,这需要“全新的思维方式”。  

其中包括成为美国核推进技术的“可靠守护者”。他说“我们必须做到万无一失。”  











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本文要点:  

1. 澳洲将在AUKUS协议下获得三艘弗吉尼亚级核潜艇,以取代老化的柯林斯级柴电潜艇。  

2. 美国弗吉尼亚级潜艇因隐身性强,攻击能力强,被誉为“海上顶级掠食者”。  

3. 美军官员表示,澳洲采购的核潜艇是“世界上最先进的潜艇”,航速远超柯林斯级,并可无限期水下航行。  

4. 预计2027年起,最多四艘美军核潜艇将常驻珀斯,构成“西部轮驻潜艇部队”。  

5. 关岛作为美军在西太平洋的重要基地,将在冲突时期提供补给、维修和重新武装支持。  

6. 施泰因哈根称AUKUS不仅是军事装备采购,而是涉及澳洲全面融入核潜艇作战体系的转型。  

7. 澳洲需承担责任,确保妥善管理美国提供的核推进技术,并在印太地区维护军事稳定。

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付款时是最先进的潜艇,收货时是不是最先进,得看。

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看了新闻来源,明白了。

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付款时是最先进的潜艇,收货时是不是最先进,得看。

就算给你也还得看美国谁是总统,万一川普称帝传位他18岁叫啥伦的那个,万一和爹一样疯,哪天不高兴按一下啥按钮,潜艇就成个罐头。
加分怎么加?加满啊!分用完了?加金币啊!没金币?买啊!
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买几个096?

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十年内卫星探测技术将会把大洋深处的巨物暴露无遗

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2040年潜艇才交货?太慢了。
按照中国这几年军事武器技术井喷的趋势,说不定歼星舰都搞出来了。

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就这?达盾的核电站说不定50年都用不上,投资估计是潜艇的几倍,真要他上台还不如在他上台前多买几批潜艇当交保护费了

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这不就是美国建造,美国使用,澳洲付钱嘛。
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科尼尔表示,他的船员对与澳洲海军的合作充满期待:“这将为整个舰队注入活力。”  
建议了解一下澳洲海军墨尔本号航母的故事

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android 发表于 2025-3-18 10:49
科尼尔表示,他的船员对与澳洲海军的合作充满期待:“这将为整个舰队注入活力。”  
建议了解一下澳洲海军 ...

你怎么哪壶不开提哪壶,就不能提一下90年代澳军潜艇潜入上海长江口的光荣事迹?

There are three types of people: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened.

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你怎么哪壶不开提哪壶,就不能提一下90年代澳军潜艇潜入上海长江口的光荣事迹?

...

长江口到底算不算领海

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你获得的是冠名权而已。

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haowu8412 发表于 2025-3-18 10:56
长江口到底算不算领海

不知道具体到了哪个位置,你自己看看吧



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施泰因哈根强调,澳洲不仅仅是在AUKUS协议下获得一项先进军事装备,而是在获取一种“变革性的作战能力”,这需要“全新的思维方式”。  


懂了,给澳洲上了一堂课,买了个教训。

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主要还是得到美国的保证,要是台湾也买这么几艘放岛子周围,估计能睡个好觉了。

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钱要花在正事上

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"施泰因哈根指挥着驻扎关岛的五艘核潜艇舰队。"

一个上尉就可以指挥有五艘核潜艇的舰队吗?应该翻译成舰队指挥官。

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主要还是得到美国的保证,要是台湾也买这么几艘放岛子周围,估计能睡个好觉了。 ...

古巴弄些苏联导弹来保护自己的话,估计也能睡得很好

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mazda333 发表于 2025-3-18 12:13
"施泰因哈根指挥着驻扎关岛的五艘核潜艇舰队。"

一个上尉就可以指挥有五艘核潜艇的舰队吗?应该翻译成舰队 ...

你这个虫捉的好。

美国海军的Captain是上校军衔,美国陆军的Captain是上尉军衔。

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There are three types of people: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened.

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Evo 发表于 2025-3-18 11:52
你怎么哪壶不开提哪壶,就不能提一下90年代澳军潜艇潜入上海长江口的光荣事迹?

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真是奇闻,能详细说说吗?

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bobova 发表于 2025-3-18 12:18
真是奇闻,能详细说说吗?

旧闻了。你自己看看这个吧, 澳大利亚人报2013年的报道。

https://archive.md/cCD9Q
There are three types of people: those who make things happen, those who watch things happen, and those who wonder what happened.

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Evo 发表于 2025-3-18 13:22
旧闻了。你自己看看这个吧, 澳大利亚人报2013年的报道。

https://archive.md/cCD9Q ...

谢谢

Cold War exploits of Australia's secret submarines
The Oberon-class submarine HMAS Onslow at the Singapore Naval Base 1974. Picture: The Australian National Maritime Museum
  • By Geoffrey Barker
  • TheAustralian
  • 12:00AM October 19, 2013


ON February 20, 1986, six senior naval officers came to the cabinet room in Canberra to brief prime minister Bob Hawke on Australia's secret Cold War submarine operations in Asia.
Defence minister Kim Beazley had invited them to explain to Hawke what the navy's ageing Oberon-class submarines were capable of, and what they'd achieved on dangerous, clandestine missions to Vietnam and China. Beazley wanted to lock in Hawke's support for the costly and contentious plan to build six Collins-class subs in Australia.

The large and genial defence minister understood the strategic value of submarines as offensive and defensive weapons. When Hawke arrived, he looked like thunder and his crabbed body language signalled he wanted to be anywhere but hearing a presentation from the navy.

That was soon to change. Commander Kim Pitt began explaining he had been on patrol in HMAS Orion in the South China Sea from September 17 until November 9 the previous year; the focus of that patrol was Cam Ranh Bay on the east coast of Vietnam, then the largest Soviet naval base outside the USSR.

Pitt began a video that grabbed Hawke's attention and immediately transformed his mood. The PM appeared transfixed as he watched dramatic and brilliantly clear footage taken by HMAS Orion as it slipped in behind and beneath a surfaced Soviet Charlie-class nuclear submarine heading into the Vietnamese port.

The video began with distant pictures of the Soviet submarine motoring towards the harbour, well outside the 12-nautical mile (22.2km) Vietnamese territorial limit. The video was shot through a camera in Orion's periscope as the submarine loitered, barely submerged in the choppy sea.

Then Pitt took the Orion deep, ran in close behind the Soviet boat, and came up to periscope depth again. Now the video showed the Soviet submarine's wake boiling and bubbling on the surface. Hawke watched, startled, as a clear image of the turning propeller appeared on the screen just above and ahead of Orion.

Pitt ran beneath the Soviet submarine, filming sonar and other fittings mounted along its hull. The remarkably clear pictures exposed the underwater secrets of Charlie-class technology. The only other way to get them would be for a western spy to penetrate dry-docks in the Soviet Union.

Pitt positioned Orion ahead of and beneath the Soviet submarine, slowed almost to a stop, and then allowed the Soviet boat to pass him while he filmed the other side of its hull.

Hawke grasped intuitively that this video intelligence would add immensely to Australia's prestige in the US. It could be used to Australia's advantage in negotiations with Washington and gave Australia a seat at the top table in the global Cold War intelligence collection game. For 45 minutes, Hawke asked questions about how the patrols were organised; their duration, their frequency, their success. He was told how the submarines recorded radio transmissions to deliver vital intelligence to the Western effort to track and identify the Soviet fleet.

The officers put up a photograph of a Soviet Kirov-class nuclear-powered cruiser, much admired by Western navies. US spy satellites had picked up the cruiser leaving its base in Murmansk and tracked it around the Cape of Good Hope and into the Indian Ocean.

The RAN sent the guided missile frigate HMAS Canberra to intercept the cruiser off Sri Lanka and follow it through the Strait of Malacca and up towards Cam Ranh Bay. The frigate took vital photographs and monitored the cruiser's communications until it approached Vietnam.

Pitt, in HMAS Orion, was waiting, submerged outside Cam Ranh Bay with the submarine's communications masts deployed to record the cruiser's arrival. He recorded its procedures and protocols, which deepened Western understanding of Soviet naval communications and command and control systems, meaning the West might be able to jam them in the event of hostilities.

The cautious admiral Mike Hudson, chief of the naval staff, dismayed the submariners by telling Hawke that while the operation was professional and produced good intelligence, it was very hazardous. A submarine might be detected and possibly captured, with serious international consequences. "As we do more and more patrols, the likelihood of this happening will increase," Hudson said.

Hawke rounded on him. "No, you are wrong," he replied. "I've got a degree in statistics and I can tell you that the probability of detection does not increase as the number of patrols increase. They are discrete, one-off events and the probability of detection is constant."

Beazley was delighted with the meeting. Hawke's support for new submarines was locked in. The submarine officers were also triumphant. They had put together a show that had convinced Hawke, converting him from curmudgeon to champion.

They did not tell Hawke that Pitt had also video-taped a submerged conventional Soviet submarine going into Cam Ranh Bay. It was brilliant submarine seamanship, but some of his colleagues regarded it as dangerous and unnecessary and Pitt as "a bit of a pirate". He later became director of submarine warfare.

The mystery boat operations were shrouded in secrecy as the submarines collected intelligence on the Soviet nuclear submarine and surface fleets and reinforced the US-Australia alliance. They also won Australian submariners their spurs in the Cold War's global espionage game, as they showed uncommon bravery, dash and initiative on about 20 patrols between 1977 and 1992.

Their success ensured the Collins-class submarines were built and secured the future of Australia's submarine service.

But the last patrol in the series proved a dangerous failure, with HMAS Orion at grave risk of detection and capture.

On October 22, 1992, she left Sydney Harbour and headed for Shanghai to gather intelligence on the Chinese navy, especially its new submarines. Orion's CO was commander Rick Shalders, who later commanded Australia's Collins-class submarine fleet.

The Americans wanted better intelligence on the Chinese navy, but US nuclear submarines were too big to be sent into the shallow waters of the East China Sea. Australia's smaller O-boats were ideal for the task.

Shanghai was China's biggest mainland harbour at the wide mouth of the Yangtse river; the water was shallow and murky, and busy with non-military shipping, including the local fishing fleet and ferries. The shoreline was heavily urbanised.

It would not be easy to stay unseen and undetected while barely submerged and trying to collect intelligence, and the consequences of detection could be grave for the submarine's crew and for Australia-China relations.

Shalders's trip to the area of operations was uneventful and the submariners were looking forward to getting their work done and getting back to the relatively safety of the open sea. Orion was equipped with the best photographic and electronic intelligence collection equipment; civilian language specialists were on board to translate Chinese navy transmissions.

But the patrol proved a nightmare, with the harbour crowded with fishing boats, many trailing long fishing lines and nets.

Shalders had to raise his periscope periodically to check the intelligence-collection aerials.

The fishermen constantly watched for signs of fish and could not miss minor disturbances made by Orion's equipment and by the presence of the submarine not far below the surface.

They followed Orion around the harbour. Shalders could not surface and could not risk moving quickly away from the danger.

Things started to get desperate when Orion fouled the fishing lines and nets. One fishing boat started to sink by its bow as its net became entangled with the submarine. The fisherman saved himself by cutting away the net from the boat with an axe.

By now Shalders knew he was facing possible disaster. It was only a matter of time before the Peoples' Liberation Navy became aware something was seriously amiss and investigated what was going on in the shallow water. Shalders and his crew faced the real prospect of detection, surrender, capture, imprisonment, trial and possible execution as spies. Relations between Australia and China would be in tatters. Shalders decided he had no choice but to abandon the operation.

Summoning all his skills, he took the submarine out of the harbour and into the relative safety of the East China Sea. The Australians returned home with nothing to show for their hair-raising experience.

The then chief of the naval staff, admiral Ian McDougall, a former submarine commander, told defence minister Robert Ray the O-boats were reaching the limits of their service lives and the patrols should be stopped because of the growing danger.

The submarine service was incandescent. It saw the patrols as invaluable for its reputation at home and abroad, and for continuing access to funding. The submariners wanted to preserve the skills they had developed.

The Defence Intelligence Organisation argued that despite the Soviet collapse there was an acute need to collect intelligence on the military activities of other countries, especially China, India and Indonesia, and that submarines were the most effective means. But Ray accepted McDougall's advice and ordered an end to the patrols.

A senior submariner, commander John Dikkenberg, met Hawke's successor as PM, Paul Keating, to argue for reinstatement of the patrols. Keating listened carefully, but would not over-rule his defence minister.

Four years later, when Ian McLachlan was appointed John Howard's first defence minister, he asked to be briefed on the cancelled patrols. The navy urged their resumption and was given the OK for a carefully controlled and limited mission off Indonesia to re-establish intelligence-collecting skills.

Bronwyn Bishop, then minister for defence science and technology, also accepted that skills were being lost and gave her blessing to resumed patrols. Six more patrols were undertaken, mainly monitoring Indonesian military communications around Indonesia and East Timor. The Howard government wanted more information on Indonesian military activities in Timor, where Fretilin guerillas were still fighting for independence.

The new Abbott government is considering whether to acquire a fleet of 12 new submarines, which would represent Australia's largest defence project. If it does, the proud Cold War history of the O-boats will have helped persuade decision-makers that submarines, despite their daunting cost, can be very good value indeed for taxpayers' dollars.



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吓我一跳,,看标题还以为AUKUS计划要黄了呢
有了V级潜艇,,估计印尼菲律宾马来西亚越南这些小卡拉在我们面前都要瑟瑟发抖

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话一大笔钱,不知能买个啥东西

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是又画了一张饼卖钱吗?

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纸上画的潜艇,小黄鸭都会投去鄙视的眼神。

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